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#21 cookey

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Posted 21 April 2013 - 07:03 AM

I suspect Saints will have a strong second half to the season.From an overall rugby point of view,I prefer K.R. to go through and I wouldn't have minded if Cas had beaten Leeds.Something like one of the Hull clubs in the final versus say Wakefield/Bradford,would be quite refreshing.



#22 Bomb Jack

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Posted 21 April 2013 - 08:16 AM

Widnes in the Final would be even more refreshing...
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#23 Just Browny

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Posted 21 April 2013 - 12:38 PM

McManus has been instrumental to the poor recruitment and retention that leaves Saints in their current predicament. Actually, with a decent halfback or two they wouldn't be all that far away. Sacking Brown based on results so far would be daft.


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#24 my missus

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Posted 21 April 2013 - 11:04 PM

sean long and kc would be a dream team for saints.


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#25 Saint Toppy

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Posted 22 April 2013 - 11:49 AM

Brown wont go this year.

He will be given time to recruit who he wants for next year and then the pressure will be on. If Saints find themselves in this position this time next year then he'sll definately be gone !



#26 Loiner

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Posted 22 April 2013 - 04:02 PM

Saints should stick with Brown

Didn't rate him at the giants and he's done nothing for me to alter that. The icing on the cake was liking Eden to Billy Slater



#27 The Bobster

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Posted 22 April 2013 - 09:02 PM

Saints are just short of a decent scrum half and stand off from being a very good team and these slots have to be a priority for recruitment for 2014.

 

Even without to half backs we will still make the play offs.

 

We are two points behind Warrington who are in third place, but I don't hear anyone questioning if Tony Smith should be for a "mutual agreement".

 

But on thing that really puzzles me is letting Gaskell a Stand Off go to Salford and bring Howarth a hooker t he other way and play him at Stand Off


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#28 bedlam breakout

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Posted 27 April 2013 - 01:57 PM

another loss, to "lowly" london this time!


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#29 Saintslass

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Posted 27 April 2013 - 02:23 PM

But on thing that really puzzles me is letting Gaskell a Stand Off go to Salford and bring Howarth a hooker t he other way and play him at Stand Off

Puzzles us too!  But then Brown is not known for making logical decisions about who he plays where.



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Posted 27 April 2013 - 02:28 PM

Widnes in the Final would be even more refreshing...



Widnes in any final would be refreshing :P

#31 Arch Stanton

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Posted 27 April 2013 - 02:33 PM

Don't think knee jerk reactions over Brown are helpful. They only real mistake so far is not insisting that Saints recruited a scrum half as a priority when he signed the contract last year. It's their clear weakness. However its difficult to say how much flexibility they had given they are overpaying average overseas players like Hohaia, Perry, Meli and Laffranchi, and substandard recruits like Turner. People are also quick to forget that Saints were just starting to hit form when they lost their two best players - Lomax and Roby to injury. They'll pick up in a month or two, and be towards the top end of SL by September.

 They will pick up on magic Weekend, when miraculously all their players will be fit. :(



#32 bewareshadows

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Posted 27 April 2013 - 10:16 PM

The injuries are killing us.

 

We are not a side that can win things at the moment, but we are a better side than our current showing.  

 

Most teams have key players, ours are Lomax / Roby and Sia

 

We've lost 2 key players, we have no halfs and alot of injuries.

 

I think we will come good second half, people will probably call us dark horses, but without a 7 we will not win.

 

The only thing Brown can do at the moment is shuffle the cards each week and see what numbers he has.  We lost another today and I don't know if any others are due back.

 

Our problems are injuries and a lack of a 7.  Neither of which can be laid at the feet of Brown.


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Even the Chinese and the Cubans gave up on these marxist principles years ago.


SL with a reduced number of competitors and a closed market = North Korea.

#33 cookey

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Posted 28 April 2013 - 06:23 AM

Sorry for Saints but more delighted for London  - also pleased for Salford and frankly,I wouldn't have minded Catalans beating Huddersfield.I think I want all 14 teams to be level on 12 points!



#34 Ant

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Posted 28 April 2013 - 07:16 AM

Didn't rate him at the giants and he's done nothing for me to alter that. The icing on the cake was liking Eden to Billy Slater


That isn't what he said at all

He said Eden had the POTENTIAL to be as good as Slater. And to be fair the way Eden joins the line and picks his runs is very reminiscent of Slaters style.

His defence and positioning is a long way off that though. Long way.

#35 nec

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Posted 28 April 2013 - 09:30 AM

Completely unconvinced by Brown, I think letting Gaskell go was lunacy and given the half back pairing we are currently playing I cannot see the logic. Discipline is poor and has/will cost us points, we need a turnaround in form - he might provide this himself but I am yet to see his team develop.
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#36 Viking Warrior

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Posted 28 April 2013 - 09:39 AM

personally i think they should have stood by royce simmons, he had to cope with a horrendous injury list and blooded many of the current team when they were kids.
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#37 Saintslass

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Posted 28 April 2013 - 11:11 AM

personally i think they should have stood by royce simmons, he had to cope with a horrendous injury list and blooded many of the current team when they were kids.

Yep.  He was an honest bloke who at least played players in their appropriate positions and was wise enough to keep the game plan simple so that young players filling in for injuries could seamlessly slip into the relevant roles.  Brown is making everything worse in this regard.



#38 bewareshadows

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Posted 28 April 2013 - 01:10 PM

Brown is not making things worse.  He is having to clean up the mess left behind.

 

He has move Wellens +1

He brought Turner in for Shenton =

Percival in for Talau +1  (longest replacement of a centre in history)

Lomax away from 7 to FB  +1

Gaskell sold to Salford  -1

Laffranchi to 2nd row +1

 

There is alot of mess to clean up.  Lance being the biggest, but you can't expect him to conjour up a 7 in a matter of months that required luck which he may get if Yates ever gets fit.  Or money, which is down to higher powers than Brown.


Super League the only place in the world where people still believe that less competitors and a closed market to new competition will improve the quality of the product.

Even the Chinese and the Cubans gave up on these marxist principles years ago.


SL with a reduced number of competitors and a closed market = North Korea.

#39 Saintslass

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Posted 28 April 2013 - 01:16 PM

Brown is not making things worse.  He is having to clean up the mess left behind.

Read my post please.  I said he is making everything worse by playing players out of position and not adapting the game plan at a time when we are under enough pressure anyway. 


Edited by Saintslass, 28 April 2013 - 01:16 PM.


#40 Viking Warrior

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Posted 28 April 2013 - 04:37 PM

ask any widnes fan if they are confident of winning at langtree park next week end, and you will get a resounding YES!
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