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does lack of p&r inadvertently affect clubs cup chances?


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#1 bedlam breakout

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Posted 20 April 2013 - 07:16 PM

just thinking about fev winning the cup in 83- how can they hope to compete in the cc when they are not allowed to think about playing sl? will they not be cc contenders either until they have completed a bidding process for sl in the coming years? while theres no p&r it makes cup comps a bit invalid to those outside the chosen ones.


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#2 bedlam breakout

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Posted 20 April 2013 - 07:25 PM

just thinking about fev winning the cup in 83- how can they hope to compete in the cc when they are not allowed to think about playing sl? will they not be cc contenders either until they have completed a bidding process for sl in the coming years? while theres no p&r it makes cup comps a bit invalid to those outside the chosen ones.

 maybe not explained very well- but even if fev had been in sl for 2 seasons maybe bottom 3 -they would have a better basis for a cup run as they would have to be a better team week in week out- think sl structure de-valuates the cc


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#3 JohnM

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Posted 20 April 2013 - 07:49 PM

just thinking about fev winning the cup in 83- how can they hope to compete in the cc when they are not allowed to think about playing sl? will they not be cc contenders either until they have completed a bidding process for sl in the coming years? while theres no p&r it makes cup comps a bit invalid to those outside the chosen ones.


No. No. No. No.

In any case. Fev ARE thinking of SL

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Posted 20 April 2013 - 08:05 PM

It's irrelevant p and r anyways. How can a team from the Championship win the challenge cup when 14 teams are allowed to spend 6 times more on the team and are allowed more overseas imports in their team.

Personally think that's more of a factor than whether promotion is on offer.

#5 Robin Evans

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Posted 20 April 2013 - 08:30 PM

For teams outside of thd top flight, lengthy cup runs have hardly ever happened even when we had p&r!
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Posted 20 April 2013 - 08:51 PM

I don't think the lack of P&R makes a blind bit of difference.

Don't forget that when we last won the cup, we were a top flight team (albeit at the bottom end that season).

I can't think of too many second division clubs having a serious cup run in the thirty odd years I've watched the sport.

To KPC (CC is so last year) teams, the cup is a chance to make some coin (failed this year) and maybe have 15 mins in the limelight like we did last year. It's largely a distraction though, take our seious dip in league form last year for example.

In any case, we have our own cup, that we do have a chance of winning.

#7 bedlam breakout

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Posted 21 April 2013 - 08:25 AM

I don't think the lack of P&R makes a blind bit of difference.

Don't forget that when we last won the cup, we were a top flight team (albeit at the bottom end that season).

I can't think of too many second division clubs having a serious cup run in the thirty odd years I've watched the sport.

To KPC (CC is so last year) teams, the cup is a chance to make some coin (failed this year) and maybe have 15 mins in the limelight like we did last year. It's largely a distraction though, take our seious dip in league form last year for example.

 

no but if you were playing sl-albeit maybe struggling in sl you would be playing the likes of london every week therefore giving you a better platform for the cc, where in the table where they in 83 when they won it? and where were hull?

In any case, we have our own cup, that we do have a chance of winning.


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#8 Lobbygobbler

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Posted 21 April 2013 - 01:19 PM

I don't think the lack of P&R makes a blind bit of difference.

Don't forget that when we last won the cup, we were a top flight team (albeit at the bottom end that season).

I can't think of too many second division clubs having a serious cup run in the thirty odd years I've watched the sport.

To KPC (CC is so last year) teams, the cup is a chance to make some coin (failed this year) and maybe have 15 mins in the limelight like we did last year. It's largely a distraction though, take our seious dip in league form last year for example.

In any case, we have our own cup, that we do have a chance of winning.


Weren't Blackpool Borough in the 2nd division when they got to the JPS semi (or final?) in 1979?

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Posted 21 April 2013 - 02:15 PM

it was brought in by the rfl and murdoch to do this very thing

no inadvertantly about it

 

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Posted 21 April 2013 - 04:05 PM


I can't think of too many second division clubs having a serious cup run in the thirty odd years I've watched the sport.
 

I remember watching York come within a whisker of the CC Final in the mid 80s.



#11 Lobbygobbler

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Posted 21 April 2013 - 07:02 PM

I remember watching York come within a whisker of the CC Final in the mid 80s.


1984 I think (or was it 85?) - lost to the Pies

#12 bedlam breakout

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Posted 21 April 2013 - 07:08 PM

if a team is in sl then whatever their placing they are playing top teams every week, some may use the cc as a focus but when sl is not an option think it also dents cc ambition too.


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Posted 21 April 2013 - 07:45 PM

Kr did ok a few years ago from the lower league in the cc it can happen, even in recent years

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Posted 21 April 2013 - 07:50 PM

When we had one division what was the lowest place a club finished when they won the challenge cup?



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#15 Lobbygobbler

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Posted 21 April 2013 - 08:33 PM

When we had one division what was the lowest place a club finished when they won the challenge cup?


Good question - can you enlighten us, or do you not know? I would guess it was at least as high as 20th

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Posted 21 April 2013 - 08:34 PM

When we had one division what was the lowest place a club finished when they won the challenge cup?

 

Haven't got a definitive answer Padge but in 1967 Fev won it from outside the top 16 when they defeated Barrow (who finished 15th).   I think from memory that Fev were 20th that season.(there would be 30 teams in the NRL back then).


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Posted 21 April 2013 - 08:44 PM

Good question - can you enlighten us, or do you not know? I would guess it was at least as high as 20th

I don't know, I'm curious. Does someone have the answer?



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#18 Lobbygobbler

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Posted 21 April 2013 - 08:49 PM

I don't know, I'm curious. Does someone have the answer?


Ok fair do's - good question anyhow especially if the old lLancs/Yorks leagues are included for the olden days. Not sure it's a standard Rothman's reference answer.....

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Posted 21 April 2013 - 08:53 PM

Ok fair do's - good question anyhow especially if the old lLancs/Yorks leagues are included for the olden days. Not sure it's a standard Rothman's reference answer.....

 

I don;t think it is in Rothman's but maybe in a book specifically about the CC.  I think Fev;s 67 win from 20th must be close.


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Posted 21 April 2013 - 09:05 PM

Haven't got a definitive answer Padge but in 1967 Fev won it from outside the top 16 when they defeated Barrow (who finished 15th).   I think from memory that Fev were 20th that season.(

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