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Why a GB tour in 2015 is deeply flawed


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#21 Methven Hornet

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Posted 22 April 2013 - 11:43 AM

I think we should stop all Celtic nation players from playing in 2015 just in case anyone gets injured thus hindering the chances of Wales, Scotland or Ireland qualifying in 2016.

 

No, but Welsh, Scottish and Irish players should be playing for Wales, Scotland and Ireland instead of being squad players for England-dressed-up-as-GB.

For that matter, England should be taking every opportunity to play the best sides in the world as often as they can. Don't forget that we have to contrive an Exiles team to give them regular fixtures of a decent standard.


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#22 Methven Hornet

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Posted 22 April 2013 - 11:46 AM

All obstacles that theoretically stops GB touring  should be  put out of harms way.It's vital for the game of RL to get the red white and blue back on the playing field where it belongs.

 

You could, legitimately, add blue to England's playing kit. The soccer, union and cricket teams all incorporate blue.

If it's that important.

Hell, England could even have the white shirt with red and blue chevron if its that important.


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#23 Wellsy4HullFC

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Posted 22 April 2013 - 11:48 AM

A Lions tour would only work if it was a big squad playing loads of game so that there is a chance of the Celtic Nations players being part of the squad and getting something out of it.

Qualifying in 2014 for the 2016 tournament is hardly an issue to be fair. It's not unheard of.
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#24 Methven Hornet

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Posted 22 April 2013 - 11:51 AM

A Lions tour would only work if it was a big squad playing loads of game so that there is a chance of the Celtic Nations players being part of the squad and getting something out of it.

Qualifying in 2014 for the 2016 tournament is hardly an issue to be fair. It's not unheard of.

 

That could be quite good - England playing the test matches, the Celtic team playing the 'midweek' games.


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#25 RugbyLeagueGeek

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Posted 22 April 2013 - 12:42 PM

Because it robs England, Wales, Scotland and Ireland of the few opportunities they get to play internationals?

England, Wales, Scotland and Ireland should have regular meaningful fixtures scheduled throughout the year. Then select the best from these teams to represent GB in 4N and test series. If players are serious about having an international career, the current system precludes players from selecting Wales, Scotland and Ireland (as has been discussed on here numerous times before). Therefore the split into the home nations is actually weakening the celtic teams as opposed to strengthening them. See England cricket for example (Eoin Morgan et al) and Rhys Evans from Warrington.



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Posted 22 April 2013 - 12:45 PM

wales,scotland & ireland have never played as much meaningful tests as they have in the last 4years.....


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Posted 22 April 2013 - 12:50 PM

That could be quite good - England playing the test matches, the Celtic team playing the 'midweek' games.


or the celtic nations could have their own "touring team" called the celtic tigers...

the celtic tigers could play england instead of the exiles ( that could provide a legitimate pathway for bring back GB)

the celtic tigers could play in the 4nations...

and the celtic tigers could tour down under...

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Posted 22 April 2013 - 01:14 PM

wales,scotland & ireland have never played as much meaningful tests as they have in the last 4years.....


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So? Great that they've played so many games - keep it going.

 

Out of interest, how does this compare with when GB were playing?



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Posted 22 April 2013 - 01:45 PM

 I would welcome a tour from Australia or NZ where they play 5 or 6 SL clubs like the touring GB union team do.

 

It would give SL clubs the chance to raise some revenue and I am sure club fans would warm to it. England or GB coach the chance to see players perform against touring international team. Six weeks of international RL.

 

Do it once every four years in the middle of the World Cup cycle and swap between Aus and NZ each time.



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Posted 22 April 2013 - 03:38 PM

Great Britain was the one major brand we had in our sport and we ditched it, absolute hogwash

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Posted 22 April 2013 - 03:50 PM

Great Britain was the one major brand we had in our sport and we ditched it, absolute hogwash

How major was it?

 

People talk as though everything was good when we had GB playing. There were just as many grim times with GB there as there are with England around.



#32 Just to be clear

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Posted 22 April 2013 - 03:52 PM

Qualifying in 2014 for the 2016 tournament is hardly an issue to be fair. It's not unheard of.

Just to be clear, it was even heard of for this year's world cup as the qualifiers for that were held in 2011.

#33 Methven Hornet

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Posted 22 April 2013 - 04:35 PM

Great Britain was the one major brand we had in our sport and we ditched it, absolute hogwash

 

We're not talking 'brands' here, but sporting nations. The major teams sports have England as the national team, why should the major and important sport of rugby league be any different? Surely English players want to represent England.

 

If it helps with the 'brand' then feel free to use old GB kit for England and even call the team the Lions. To be honest I don't think the majority of the sporting public would notice any difference.


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#34 roughyedspud

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Posted 22 April 2013 - 04:50 PM

So? Great that they've played so many games - keep it going.

Out of interest, how does this compare with when GB were playing?


it does'nt compare at all....nobody gave a ###### if they played or not.... and they hardly ever played.....put it this way,wales,scotland & ireland have played more games...and games that mean something...in the last 4 years than they in the 10-15 years before that...

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#35 The Daddy_merged

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Posted 22 April 2013 - 04:55 PM

it does'nt compare at all....nobody gave a ###### if they played or not.... and they hardly ever played.....put it this way,wales,scotland & ireland have played more games...and games that mean something...in the last 4 years than they in the 10-15 years before that...

 

That's twice today I've agreed with you, on this and scrapping the World Cup. Keep it up mate.



#36 The Daddy_merged

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Posted 22 April 2013 - 04:56 PM

People have to realise that a Lions Tour or bringing back the Lions will weaken the home nations and you can only have a strong Lions concept if the home nations are strong. 



#37 RugbyLeagueGeek

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Posted 22 April 2013 - 05:59 PM

it does'nt compare at all....nobody gave a ###### if they played or not.... and they hardly ever played.....put it this way,wales,scotland & ireland have played more games...and games that mean something...in the last 4 years than they in the 10-15 years before that...

I'm not sure I agree about the fact that they played more games in the last 4 years than they did in the 10-15 before that - if you could provide some stats then I'll happily alter my opinion.

I do agree that "nobody gave a ###### if they played or not". But I would also say that is probably the same now, relatively speaking.

Personally I think very little has changed for Wales, Scotland and Ireland since GB disbanded, except that some of their better players have since pledged allegiance to England. Again I'll happily be proved wrong if anyone has the stats to support their opinion.

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Posted 22 April 2013 - 06:02 PM

People have to realise that a Lions Tour or bringing back the Lions will weaken the home nations and you can only have a strong Lions concept if the home nations are strong.

I completely disagree with you there.

Not having GB forces players to choose England if they're serious about their international career, thus weakening the other home nations.

#39 Evil Homer

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Posted 22 April 2013 - 06:05 PM

GB is a totally irrelevant, archaic concept and the people advocating its return are nostalgia-fueled idiots.

#40 RugbyLeagueGeek

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Posted 22 April 2013 - 06:16 PM

GB is a totally irrelevant, archaic concept and the people advocating its return are nostalgia-fueled idiots.

Thanks for that comprehensive and balanced analysis.




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