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#241 JohnM

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Posted 06 May 2013 - 08:25 AM

The swan killing story does the rounds every so often. It's even been in the media (from memory, the Daily Star) - so by Wolford's logic it's true.

I was speaking yesterday to a Ukip voter. Part of his reason for voting for them was, and I quote, "The ticket prices at Wycombe Wanderers are too high. And they have too many foreigners in the team."

This link shows the nationalities of the current Wycombe squad: http://en.wikipedia....nderers#Players

Does it make you angry enough to vote Ukip?

 

nah. the thing that would really make me consider voting UKIP is if they campaigned vigorously for complete Scottish independence/repatriation



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Posted 06 May 2013 - 08:30 AM

nah. the thing that would really make me consider voting UKIP is if they campaigned vigorously for complete Scottish independence/repatriation

The Scots can do what they like. It's the Tafia dressing itself in White Rose attire and pontificating based on what was most recently in the T&A that I'm going to talk to Farage about over a pint at the golf club.
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#243 Northern Sol

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Posted 06 May 2013 - 08:32 AM

 fixed for you there

I thought we weren't doing the editing of people's posts.

 

If this is the best you can do then don't bother. It's particularly childish.


Edited by Northern Sol, 06 May 2013 - 08:41 AM.


#244 Bedford Roughyed

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Posted 06 May 2013 - 08:34 AM

nah. the thing that would really make me consider voting UKIP is if they campaigned vigorously for complete Scottish independence/repatriation

As they are the party of 'old' tories, surely they are pro-union?
With the best, thats a good bit of PR, though I would say the Bedford team, theres, like, you know, 13 blokes who can get together at the weekend to have a game together, which doesnt point to expansion of the game. Point, yeah go on!

#245 Northern Sol

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Posted 06 May 2013 - 08:40 AM

I can find pictures of senior black policemen, does that mean that there are no racial issues within the police?

 

edit: the Northern Irish police had a Catholic head in the 70s but they were still a very sectarian, partisan organisation

 

The CRE (and its successors) are organisations that do not reflect the diversity of the UK. A token white guy at the head hardly changes that. 

 

That could be tolerated if not for their holier than thou attitude with regard to everybody else having to reflect UK diversity.

 

Until they put their own house in order then they have zero credibility.

 

Of course you can

 

although I doubt whether the person I randomely highlighted is or rather was a 'token', on one hand you say that this 'industry'-which you have yet to quantify. You complain both that this so called industry doesn't reflect society's diversity and at the same time doesn't say who the people are who don't do that. You can't hav it both ways.

 

I'm still confused by your statement that this 'industry's' role is to tell 'everybody' that they are racist.

 

Would you abolish this 'industry'? Wht would/should you and presumably UKIP do instead?

No, I was quite clear on who the industry are. They are the people working for the professional bodies such as the CRE (and successors) as well as groups such as the Black Police Federation and various community groups.

 

The common thread among them is that they are paid lots of money and get to speak on "race issues" but in fact there are a lot of corruption issues (see Eyes passim). It's pretty much "jobs for the boys" except that "the boys" owe their positions to their political views and their skin colour rather than which school they went to.

 

I'm not a UKIP supporter but there is much that is wrong with this and it needs to be swept away. The police need to be more honest than the average citizen and diversity bodies should be less racist than the average citizen (but they are not). I'd fire half of them and recruit new people.



#246 JohnM

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Posted 06 May 2013 - 08:44 AM

As they are the party of 'old' tories, surely they are pro-union?

  so the chances of me voting UKIP are.....?   :rolleyes:



#247 gingerjon

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Posted 06 May 2013 - 08:46 AM

In  last week's local elections, whether you like it or not, the overall public expressed its

70% of the public expressed their opinion by not voting

Of those that did vote about 65% voted for parties that would keep Britain in the EU.
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#248 gingerjon

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Posted 06 May 2013 - 08:50 AM

I've been trying to find out what Ukip's actual position on Scotland is. It appears to be to yell at people. They can be consistent in that the SNP 'way out' is followed by an idea of going back into Europe - so Ukip can be against that easily enough. What I can't find out is if they're against independence/devo max/any other idea as well.
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#249 Wolford6

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Posted 06 May 2013 - 08:58 AM

The Scots can do what they like. It's the Tafia dressing itself in White Rose attire and pontificating based on what was most recently in the T&A that I'm going to talk to Farage about over a pint at the golf club.

 

see you there then.

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#250 l'angelo mysterioso

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Posted 06 May 2013 - 09:06 AM

No, I was quite clear on who the industry are. They are the people working for the professional bodies such as the CRE (and successors) as well as groups such as the Black Police Federation and various community groups.

 

The common thread among them is that they are paid lots of money and get to speak on "race issues" but in fact there are a lot of corruption issues (see Eyes passim). It's pretty much "jobs for the boys" except that "the boys" owe their positions to their political views and their skin colour rather than which school they went to.

 

I'm not a UKIP supporter but there is much that is wrong with this and it needs to be swept away. The police need to be more honest than the average citizen and diversity bodies should be less racist than the average citizen (but they are not). I'd fire half of them and recruit new people.

well it's hardly an 'industry' if it consists o fwhat you say it consists of, but no matter.

 

Does the black and multi ethnic police federation have paid officials? It stands to reason thst its officials will be black or from other ethnic minorities. The fact thst thid grtouip exists is perhaps a comment on the way tha tpolice  officers of ethnic minorities have been treated historically by their colleagues

 

People who do jobs get paid. Peoples' view on matters of race, ethnicity, gender, sexual orientation an so on are by definition political so if you are going to be involved in what you strangely call an 'industry'in a pro active  then it stands to reason that your involvement will represent a political perspectiveintrms of wanting to do something about issues of equality.

 

I'm no better informed about what UKIP means by 'political correctness' and what it intends to do about it than when I originlly asked the question: but as ever I've enjoyed our discussion.


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#251 gingerjon

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Posted 06 May 2013 - 09:10 AM

see you there then.
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#252 Bedford Roughyed

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Posted 06 May 2013 - 09:28 AM

I've been trying to find out what Ukip's actual position on Scotland is. It appears to be to yell at people. They can be consistent in that the SNP 'way out' is followed by an idea of going back into Europe - so Ukip can be against that easily enough. What I can't find out is if they're against independence/devo max/any other idea as well.

I think Lord Monckton was their man on Scottish affairs. Google him... he is brilliant...
With the best, thats a good bit of PR, though I would say the Bedford team, theres, like, you know, 13 blokes who can get together at the weekend to have a game together, which doesnt point to expansion of the game. Point, yeah go on!

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Posted 06 May 2013 - 09:44 AM

"Political correctness" eh? Just another infringement of our freedoms, you can't even call a black person a "###### anymore", or a person with cerebral palsy a "spacker" and as for those queer, bum bandit, ###### types, what's happening to our great country?


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#254 Northern Sol

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Posted 06 May 2013 - 09:48 AM

"Political correctness" eh? Just another infringement of our freedoms, you can't even call a black person a "###### anymore", or a person with cerebral palsy a "spacker" and as for those queer, bum bandit, ###### types, what's happening to our great country?

We're all being reduced to stereotypical left-wing cliches and forced to troll the Internet.



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Posted 06 May 2013 - 09:54 AM

I've been trying to find out what Ukip's actual position on Scotland is. It appears to be to yell at people. They can be consistent in that the SNP 'way out' is followed by an idea of going back into Europe - so Ukip can be against that easily enough. What I can't find out is if they're against independence/devo max/any other idea as well.

 

They are against independence, and have just asked this weekend whether they could affiliate to the 'Better Together' No campaign. They, perhaps unsurprisingly, said No! The reasons given for their exclusion are a little curious:-



A Better Together ­spokesman said: “UKIP have asked to join us and we have said no.
 
“If they ask again, we will say no again.
 
“They are not a Scottish party and this is a Scottish debate.”
 
Hmm, a campaign to highlight the benefits of being together in 'Britain' excludes a party because they are British. Then again, so are Labour, the Conservatives and the Lib Dems. Strange.

On devolution the last UKIP 'policy' was to effectively abolish the parliament and replace it with a Scottish Grand Committee at Westminster. I don't really think that they've thought it through... 

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#256 Northern Sol

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Posted 06 May 2013 - 09:56 AM

well it's hardly an 'industry' if it consists o fwhat you say it consists of, but no matter.

 

Does the black and multi ethnic police federation have paid officials? It stands to reason thst its officials will be black or from other ethnic minorities. The fact thst thid grtouip exists is perhaps a comment on the way tha tpolice  officers of ethnic minorities have been treated historically by their colleagues

 

People who do jobs get paid. Peoples' view on matters of race, ethnicity, gender, sexual orientation an so on are by definition political so if you are going to be involved in what you strangely call an 'industry'in a pro active  then it stands to reason that your involvement will represent a political perspectiveintrms of wanting to do something about issues of equality.

 

I'm no better informed about what UKIP means by 'political correctness' and what it intends to do about it than when I originlly asked the question: but as ever I've enjoyed our discussion.

There are paid officials. There are open policies of appointing BEM candidates over white ones because of their skin colour. There are also training positions that only BEM candidates can apply for. The NUT offers free management training courses (with stays in hotels paid for) to BEM only.

 

There is a whole sub-culture where it is okay to treat people differently depending on their skin colour as long as it is done for "the right reasons". This is also true of gender as well (All women short-lists anyone?).

 

I, for one, find it highly distasteful.

 

Whilst we are talking about some admittedly annoying UKIP politicians whose various misdeeds include not paying parking charges; there is a story floating about about a "community leader" and how Bangladesh would like to interview him in connection with war crimes committed during Bangladesh's war of independence. Which is more serious war crimes or illegal parking?

 

And yet which one are we discussing?



#257 Wolford6

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Posted 06 May 2013 - 11:06 AM

It's Nige's round.

 

 

I know. I'm fetching a couple of mates. Good old EU expenses.


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#258 Northern Sol

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Posted 06 May 2013 - 11:43 AM

They are against independence, and have just asked this weekend whether they could affiliate to the 'Better Together' No campaign. They, perhaps unsurprisingly, said No! The reasons given for their exclusion are a little curious:-



A Better Together ­spokesman said: “UKIP have asked to join us and we have said no.
 
“If they ask again, we will say no again.
 
“They are not a Scottish party and this is a Scottish debate.”
 
Hmm, a campaign to highlight the benefits of being together in 'Britain' excludes a party because they are British. Then again, so are Labour, the Conservatives and the Lib Dems. Strange.

On devolution the last UKIP 'policy' was to effectively abolish the parliament and replace it with a Scottish Grand Committee at Westminster. I don't really think that they've thought it through... 

It may have something to do with the number of candidates that each party puts up for election in Scotland. Even if the Tories aren't very popular, they do have significant support and grassroots organisations in Scotland while UKIP are a significant minority party in England, I'm not sure that they are in Scotland. 



#259 JohnM

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Posted 06 May 2013 - 11:57 AM

watch and listen here: http://www.bbc.co.uk...otland-22420512



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Posted 06 May 2013 - 12:06 PM

They will win the next election hands down with a simple manifesto:)

I would like to see

* Income tax lowered to at least 20%

* Higher taxes on lagers and ###### mass produced beers ZERO taxes on real ale and all micro breweries:)

* Grammar schools back (Get rid of all the NEW university,s which are basically art colleges for drop outs)

* Free Gas and Electricity for pensioners

* STOP ALL cuts to the Royal Navy + bring back the ARK ROYAL:)))))

* Overseas funding 100% CUT to everywhere but the old British Commonwealth (Increased amounts there)

* BAN our troops from get involved in pointless wars that have nothing to do with us Iraq etc

* Invade Rhodesia and kick Mugube out:))))

* Repeal the 1967 marine offences act

* Make rugby league and cricket compulsory in all state schools

* Legalize brothels like in Spain and other countries (We are years behind) and dont tell me they will be victims (They certainly are in the UK where foreign criminals control it)

* Steam trains brought back onto the main lines at weekends (They would be packed) and many branch lines rebuilt

The above is just for starters:)))

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