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#301 JohnM

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Posted 16 May 2013 - 08:19 PM

More on Boston and UKIP

 

yes, I know it's a BBC report. nevertheless, it does ring true. 



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Posted 17 May 2013 - 11:23 AM

How to make friends and influence people.


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#303 Bedford Roughyed

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Posted 17 May 2013 - 12:11 PM

UKIP Donor -

 

http://www.dailymail...plea-funds.html

 

Women who wear trousers are 'deliberately making themselves unattractive', says UKIP's new donor as cash-strapped party issues plea for funds
 

With the best, thats a good bit of PR, though I would say the Bedford team, theres, like, you know, 13 blokes who can get together at the weekend to have a game together, which doesnt point to expansion of the game. Point, yeah go on!

#304 Northern Sol

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Posted 17 May 2013 - 12:11 PM

How to make friends and influence people.

He's not entirely wrong though.

 

He should be allowed to give press conferences without having them disrupted by supporters of opposing parties. That is exactly how fascists behaved in the 1930s Italy. There is a right to protest but not to prevent someone from speaking.

 

Having said that Farage was foolish to openly target the SNP vote. UKIP could hardly be further away the SNP. It shows the extent to which the Tory right / UKIP politicians in the South East are out of touch with sentiments in Scotland.



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Posted 17 May 2013 - 02:49 PM

there are though, similarities between UKIP and the SNP. 

 

for a start, both are one-man bands.

 

Then both are led by opportunist headline-grabbing ###### windbags with a neat line in rhetoric

 

Both are unlikely to get their way.



#306 John Drake

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Posted 17 May 2013 - 03:05 PM

He's not entirely wrong though.

 

He should be allowed to give press conferences without having them disrupted by supporters of opposing parties. That is exactly how fascists behaved in the 1930s Italy. There is a right to protest but not to prevent someone from speaking.

 

Having said that Farage was foolish to openly target the SNP vote. UKIP could hardly be further away the SNP. It shows the extent to which the Tory right / UKIP politicians in the South East are out of touch with sentiments in Scotland.

 

Shock news: Politician gets heckled.

 

there are though, similarities between UKIP and the SNP. 

 

for a start, both are one-man bands.

 

Then both are led by opportunist headline-grabbing ###### windbags with a neat line in rhetoric

 

Both are unlikely to get their way.

 

The SNP are a bit more than a one man band, given they run a majority government in Scotland.


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Posted 17 May 2013 - 03:16 PM

Shock news: Politician gets heckled.

 

Rather more than heckling.

The incident in Edinburgh on Thursday rattled Mr Farage as he was giving media interviews. He was left stranded in the middle of Edinburgh’s Royal Mile, surrounded by around 50 nationalists and socialists calling him a racist, demanding that he: “Go home to England”.

Police attempted to persuade two taxi drivers to take Mr Farage away from the trouble but both refused as the protesters continued to barrack the MEP with chants of “racist Nazi ####”.

Officers then insisted for his own safety that he enter the Canon’s Gait pub, the wooden doors of which were then locked.

The protesters continued to jeer and shout abuse, with some unveiling a 20ft banner that, referring to next year’s referendum, stated: “Vote Yes for Scotland”.

It is ironic that those people calling him a racist then told him to "go back to England" and said he was a Nazi whilst preventing him from being interviewed by the media.



#308 Northern Sol

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Posted 17 May 2013 - 03:18 PM

there are though, similarities between UKIP and the SNP. 

 

for a start, both are one-man bands.

 

Then both are led by opportunist headline-grabbing ###### windbags with a neat line in rhetoric

 

Both are unlikely to get their way.

Both are effective politicians. That's the main similarity.

 

Who was UKIP leader before Farage?

 

No, I don't know either.



#309 T Dub

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Posted 17 May 2013 - 03:56 PM

The whole episode is regrettable

A minority maybe but if that had been Salmond outside a pub in England and the mob were UKIP (or worse)...?

#310 Northern Sol

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Posted 17 May 2013 - 04:15 PM

The thing being that English people would not do more than heckle Salmond. He would not be in any danger in England.



#311 John Drake

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Posted 17 May 2013 - 04:48 PM

Rather more than heckling.

It is ironic that those people calling him a racist then told him to "go back to England" and said he was a Nazi whilst preventing him from being interviewed by the media.

 

It is certainly a contrast to the relative free ride he gets in England, that is true, but the higher you climb...


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Posted 17 May 2013 - 05:13 PM


The thing being that English people would not do more than heckle Salmond. He would not be in any danger in England.


really? you actualy believe that?

Edited by Phil, 17 May 2013 - 05:14 PM.

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#313 JohnM

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Posted 17 May 2013 - 05:26 PM

Shock news: Politician gets heckled.

 

 

The SNP are a bit more than a one man band, given they run a majority government in Scotland.

 Name another SNP politician without looking it up.  :tongue:  



#314 JohnM

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Posted 17 May 2013 - 05:27 PM

really? you actualy believe that?

 

 

I rather think he's right. 



#315 Methven Hornet

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Posted 17 May 2013 - 05:28 PM

How to make friends and influence people.

 

As someone else said, this was Farage merely enjoying a good night out in Edinburgh.
 

It starts off with a quiet drink, and your intention is just to have a couple.

 

Then, as sure as night follows day, things get a bit more hectic and you end up involved in a pub lock-in.

 

When you eventually emerge, and want to get home, passing taxi drivers take one look and drive off.

As a finale, you get involved in a street rammy and you get lifted and driven away by the polis!

 

On a more serious note, Farage's, and the Telegraph's, attempts to link the demonstration to Scottish nationalism in general, and the SNP in particular, are, as you would perhaps expect, completely wide of the mark. The protest was organised by a group called Radical Independence Conference, a grouping of socialists, trade unionists, anti-war campaigners, republicans, artists and environmentalists who see themselves as a non-nationalist alternative campaign for independence. They sent out the notification/invitation mid-afternoon so demonstrators would have been locals, students and, it seems, a few disability campaigners. 

The main focus of the demonstration was ant-racism, as shown in the main explanation on the invitation "UKIP racists not welcome in Scotland". This sort of demonstration does tend to take place whenever a perceived racist, extreme right-wing grouping tries to demonstrate in Edinburgh (and it usually is Edinburgh rather than Glasgow, for some reason). The BNP and the EDL ('trading as' SDL, but on one occasion seeming to be largely made up of Burnley and Aston Villa fans :D ) have experienced more robust 'welcomes' than Farage had to endure.

Farage seemed very quick to brand the opposition to him and his party as being 'anti-English', and I'm convinced that this was one purpose of his visit. He has stated that UKIP are going after the SNP vote - bizarre as they about as far apart as you can get in the British politics - so perhaps he thought a demonstration like he faced would show the nationalists in a bad light. To re-iterate, the demonstration had nothing to do with the SNP or the official Yes campaign, Yes Scotland. Also, according to one young English woman who was part of the demonstration, there were many English people taking part.

One last thing, and it may just illustrate Farrage's lack of understanding of Scotland. He was in Edinburgh to introduce the candidate and launch the UKIP campaign for the forthcoming by-election in Aberdeen Donside. I'm not sure whether he thinks the constituency is a suburb of the capital, but it didn't look good - especially to the people of Aberdeen!

 


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#316 Methven Hornet

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Posted 17 May 2013 - 06:18 PM

Shock news: Politician gets heckled.

 
Salmond often gets heckled, in Scotland
 

The SNP are a bit more than a one man band, given they run a majority government in Scotland.

Anyone who claims that the SNP is a one man band is pretty ignorant of Scottish affairs. Nicola Sturgeon - who comprehensively dealt with Scottish Secretary, Michael Moore, in the first televised referendum debate - is a leader in waiting, and, with her more consensual approach, won't need a majority to lead a successful government. John Swinney, finance secretary, doesn't just promise admin savings, he actually delivers them. And he's done away with the need for PFI and legions of private sector 'consultants'.

And the rest of the cabinet must be doing a decent job if the government - the only single party majority government in the British Isles has maintained its popularity six years into the job!

And let's not even start with the backroom staff!
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Posted 17 May 2013 - 06:28 PM

It is certainly a contrast to the relative free ride he gets in England, that is true, but the higher you climb...

 

He has had a free ride in England, but the events of yesterday did reveal his weaknesses. He doesn't like to be seriously challenged, and he does crack under the slightest pressure - witness his hissy-fit under the mild questioning from the BBC Scotland interviewer. Message to opponents of UKIP and right-wing demagoguery in general: get right into him; he does like it 'up him'.  :biggrin:


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Posted 17 May 2013 - 06:58 PM

While we're on the subject of Farage/UKIP rejection in Scotland...

 

Buoyed by his success in the recent English county elections, Farage asked once again for UKIP to be allowed to join the offical No campaign in the independence debate, the joint Labour, Conservative and Liberal Democrat 'Better Together'. He was told no, in no uncertain terms, apparently because they are not a Scottish party.


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Posted 17 May 2013 - 07:52 PM

While we're on the subject of Farage/UKIP rejection in Scotland...

 

Buoyed by his success in the recent English county elections, Farage asked once again for UKIP to be allowed to join the offical No campaign in the independence debate, the joint Labour, Conservative and Liberal Democrat 'Better Together'. He was told no, in no uncertain terms, apparently because they are not a Scottish party.

That's a bit rich from the Tories ;)


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#320 Bedford Roughyed

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Posted 17 May 2013 - 08:05 PM

Anyone who claims that the SNP is a one man band is pretty ignorant of Scottish affairs.

To be fair what happened when Salmond resigned from the leadership a few years ago? Did the SNP push on or flounder? They might be able to get away without him now, but they certainly lost ground when he stepped back last time.
With the best, thats a good bit of PR, though I would say the Bedford team, theres, like, you know, 13 blokes who can get together at the weekend to have a game together, which doesnt point to expansion of the game. Point, yeah go on!




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