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#61 tonyXIII

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Posted 27 April 2013 - 03:05 PM

http://www.bbc.co.uk...nshire-22320275

 

I stand corrected. Hadn't seen the news today. Thanks.


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#62 Northern Sol

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Posted 27 April 2013 - 04:41 PM

Northern Sol and this UKIP guy highlight the ignorance that a lot of motorists have when it comes to the old and false argument that cyclists shouldn't be on the road because they don't pay road tax [sic]. So yes, it is a howler. British cycling claim that over 90% of their members also drive.

A study has shown (linked in the road.cc article) that cycling is a net positive and driving a net negative. The more people who cycle, the less congestion there is on the road and the more healthy people are. The road network will not be able to cope as the volume of motorised traffic increases and one feasible solution is to make it attractive and safer for people to cycle.

I agree with the second part but remember that people on the right do not agree with this kind of logic by and large. It's not a howler but a point-of-view that you don't agree with.

 

Your first sentence might be true generally but probably isn't true of Cambridge; remember that it is a student city.



#63 Griff9of13

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Posted 27 April 2013 - 04:42 PM

Another idiot running for UKIP.

http://road.cc/conte...e-no-roads-ride

 

And here's another one...

 

http://www.gaystarne...candidate270413


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#64 Ullman

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Posted 27 April 2013 - 05:21 PM

We have armed drones flying over Afghan 'piloted' from near Lincoln.

We sent an unarmed one to Bulgaria.


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#65 Severus

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Posted 27 April 2013 - 06:04 PM

I agree with the second part but remember that people on the right do not agree with this kind of logic by and large. It's not a howler but a point-of-view that you don't agree with.
 
Your first sentence might be true generally but probably isn't true of Cambridge; remember that it is a student city.


You don't think that a candidate for local council elections should know how the up keep of the roads is funded?

Good point re Cambridge.
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#66 Methven Hornet

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Posted 27 April 2013 - 06:14 PM

And here's another one...

 

http://www.gaystarne...candidate270413

 

Aw, I was just about to post that!  :( 

Complete and utter wackos, the lot of them. :D 

Still, it'll be fun watching them split the right-wing vote. 


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Posted 27 April 2013 - 07:40 PM

No matter what you views are on ukip, over the last few weeks the number of people that have said they will be voting for them has surprised me.  People I know, both to the left and right of the political spectrum have all mentioned their despair with the main parties and seem to think voting for ukip in the local elections will 'send a message' to the big boys.  I think ukip might just do a lot better than people think.



#68 Severus

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Posted 27 April 2013 - 08:18 PM


No matter what you views are on ukip, over the last few weeks the number of people that have said they will be voting for them has surprised me. People I know, both to the left and right of the political spectrum have all mentioned their despair with the main parties and seem to think voting for ukip in the local elections will 'send a message' to the big boys. I think ukip might just do a lot better than people think.


I agree, and it does disturb me.
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#69 JohnM

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Posted 27 April 2013 - 08:44 PM

UKIP may well do well in places in the local elections in the way that the Lib Dems and independents do, as a protest against the main parties, but when it comes to parliamentary elections, this Farage-o of a party will  not get a single MP. And given the limitations on what local councils can actually do,  having  lots of UKIP councilors  will only expose them for what they are.



#70 Northern Sol

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Posted 27 April 2013 - 09:13 PM

You don't think that a candidate for local council elections should know how the up keep of the roads is funded?

I don't think it matters that much. Local councillors don't have anything to do with collecting car taxes.



#71 Methven Hornet

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Posted 27 April 2013 - 09:26 PM

UKIP may well do well in places in the local elections in the way that the Lib Dems and independents do, as a protest against the main parties, but when it comes to parliamentary elections, this Farage-o of a party will  not get a single MP. And given the limitations on what local councils can actually do,  having  lots of UKIP councilors  will only expose them for what they are.

 

As happened when the BNP won a few seats.


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#72 Methven Hornet

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Posted 27 April 2013 - 09:44 PM

No matter what you views are on ukip, over the last few weeks the number of people that have said they will be voting for them has surprised me.  People I know, both to the left and right of the political spectrum have all mentioned their despair with the main parties and seem to think voting for ukip in the local elections will 'send a message' to the big boys.  I think ukip might just do a lot better than people think.

 

Oh, I've no doubt they will pick up a fair few votes in places, but a few council seats is the nearest they'll ever come to power.

For all the disturbing views they hold, they are not as sinister as groupings like the BNP and EDL. Just sit back and try and enjoy the way their successful candidates will inevitably humiliate themselves.


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#73 gingerjon

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Posted 28 April 2013 - 07:10 AM

I don't think it matters that much. Local councillors don't have anything to do with collecting car taxes.

Councils do have a responsibility for all adopted roads though. It'd be quite useful for a councillor to have the first clue about where the money to maintain them comes from.
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#74 gingerjon

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Posted 28 April 2013 - 07:12 AM

UKIP may well do well in places in the local elections in the way that the Lib Dems and independents do, as a protest against the main parties, but when it comes to parliamentary elections, this Farage-o of a party will  not get a single MP. And given the limitations on what local councils can actually do,  having  lots of UKIP councilors  will only expose them for what they are.

They've had a couple of clear chances to get an MP - standing against Bercow in 2010 and Eastleigh last year. They may very well get another shot. What they are probably going have to do is something similar to the Greens and focus very directly on one or two likely locations.
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#75 Wolford6

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Posted 28 April 2013 - 11:25 AM

The thing about UKIP is that they haven't hit critical mass; hence the questionable quality of some of its candidates. UKIP is just rounding bums-on-seats candidates on the basis of an availabiity and willingness to stand.

 

 

The same occurred with the SDP before they joined the Liberals. I used to know a lad who had to stand for the SDP in a local Bradford council election because he was a local official and the party didn't have anyone else.

e worked for a local authority and would have had to quit his job if he had got elected. He was absolutely scared stiff that this would happen. Fortunately, the people of his ward had the foresight to preferably vote for someone else.

 

When UKIP builds up a proven body of support, it can look forward to attracting parliamentary defectors from both the big parties ... probably after the next general election.


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#76 Northern Sol

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Posted 28 April 2013 - 12:34 PM

Councils do have a responsibility for all adopted roads though. It'd be quite useful for a councillor to have the first clue about where the money to maintain them comes from.

It comes from the government and that would be true whether it was ring-fenced or not.



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Posted 28 April 2013 - 01:27 PM

I hope that UKIP do very well its time that the left wing champagne socialist (Tories/Labour and Lib Dems they are all the same in my book with as NF says not a cigarette paper between them) got a bloody good hiding:))))

As time goes on UKIP will be able to have a better quality of person standing and hopefully also there will be a few defections from the champagne socialist lefties especially the tories who are more left wing than that other criminal champagne socialist TONY BLAG:))))

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Posted 28 April 2013 - 02:00 PM

I hope that UKIP do very well its time that the left wing champagne socialist (Tories/Labour and Lib Dems they are all the same in my book with as NF says not a cigarette paper between them) got a bloody good hiding:))))

As time goes on UKIP will be able to have a better quality of person standing and hopefully also there will be a few defections from the champagne socialist lefties especially the tories who are more left wing than that other criminal champagne socialist TONY BLAG:))))

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Posted 28 April 2013 - 02:03 PM

An old guy many years ago once told me about a parliamentary wit pre war.Apparently it was just after women were first elected to Parliament and  a female MP it could have been Lady Astor stood up and said "why I would rather commit adultery than consume alchohol or smoke tobacco"and a member shouted out "who wouldnt"


but you and I weve been through that and this is not our fate.
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Posted 28 April 2013 - 02:05 PM

I hope that UKIP do very well its time that the left wing champagne socialist (Tories/Labour and Lib Dems they are all the same in my book with as NF says not a cigarette paper between them) got a bloody good hiding:))))

As time goes on UKIP will be able to have a better quality of person standing and hopefully also there will be a few defections from the champagne socialist lefties especially the tories who are more left wing than that other criminal champagne socialist TONY BLAG:))))

CM

If you look at the record of the 2nd and 3rd recent Labour governments and the current lot then you'll find a good few, if not most, of the policies are further to the right than Thatcher would have ever dreamed of putting out there.  From ID cards to mass privatisations to forcing councils to close down everything that can, and many things that should never be, by trashing their grants.  Then you have the myriad business taxes cut.  I'll grant you there have been a few sops to everyone else, such as the tax allowance increase, but they're few and far between.


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