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#21 ckn

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Posted 26 April 2013 - 12:25 PM

Just goes to prove that the RFL is run by clowns and this is taking the equality card to far , so much for safeguarding in our sport when the RFL is promoting homosexuality .

 

What message is that giving to our young children, so are they saying that it is ok for a gay man to coach young children the bloody mind boggles .

Thank you to the multiple people who either hit "report" or sent me a message on this post.

 

I'm taking a moderating decision that I'm going to leave it as the board has very effectively self-moderated and any neutral reader would be clear as to what the majority view is and to intolerance.  The most effective antidote to intolerance is not censorship but frank discussion and confronting the silly fallacies about subjects like gay men.

 

It's a minority view but thankfully receding, much like the other discriminatory views.  Just think though about the progress we've made, even in the last decade alone, would we have been able to allow a thread to self-moderate on homophobia on the early days of this forum?


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#22 TaxiEgg

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Posted 26 April 2013 - 12:59 PM

One thing this country is built on is free speech , you are labelling me with a stigma when you know nothing about me, I work with gay people who do not need to be singled out to do their Job,.

 

Wether I right or wrong thats up for people to decide themselves but I have not breached the AUP .

 

We are one sport so why do we need a singular label to promote it ?

The game is fragmented enough as it is .



#23 West Country Eagle

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Posted 26 April 2013 - 01:02 PM

Winning awards for equality work is brilliant, losing money for being found wanting in the main bread and butter areas of the game is criminal.

They made some poor decisions with regards to some appointments and got their priorities wrong. Hopefully they're now addressing this.

I agree that development is vitally important, but as I said, it doesn't have to be an either/or choice
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#24 keighley

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Posted 26 April 2013 - 01:48 PM

Just goes to prove that the RFL is run by clowns and this is taking the equality card to far , so much for safeguarding in our sport when the RFL is promoting homosexuality .

 

What message is that giving to our young children, so are they saying that it is ok for a gay man to coach young children the bloody mind boggles .

 

Yes, it's OK. You are confusing being gay with being a paedophile, two completely different things.



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Posted 26 April 2013 - 01:51 PM

One thing this country is built on is free speech , you are labelling me with a stigma when you know nothing about me, I work with gay people who do not need to be singled out to do their Job,.

 

Wether I right or wrong thats up for people to decide themselves but I have not breached the AUP .

 

We are one sport so why do we need a singular label to promote it ?

The game is fragmented enough as it is .

 

 

And the South Asia Bulls team would be the same singular label, don't you think.



#26 nec

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Posted 26 April 2013 - 04:31 PM

See, the reason why RL does not make the inroads that it should do has nothing to do with a poor image nationally or unwelcoming clubs run by troglodytes it is all because the RFL is throwing money at gays. You really couldn't make it up
Rugby League is a sport that desperately needs to expand its geographical supporter base and its player base. This imperative means that all other requirements are secondary until this is done.

All power in the game should be with governing bodies, especially international governing bodies.

Without these actions we will remain a minor sport internationally and nationally.

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Posted 26 April 2013 - 04:38 PM

unbelievable and really disappointing thread.

 

first of all...the developemnt staff supporting the sessions are Salford City Reds Foundation staff.  they promote RL in Mancheser, Trafford and Salford.  its a new Manchester team and hence why shouldnt it get support?  I'm not sure where the RFL bashing has come from!

 

second, what's it got to do with safeguarding?  its an adult team.

 

third. it IS perfectly OK for a gay man or woman to coach children.


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#28 Bedford Roughyed

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Posted 26 April 2013 - 05:32 PM

unbelievable and really disappointing thread.
 
first of all...the developemnt staff supporting the sessions are Salford City Reds Foundation staff.  they promote RL in Mancheser, Trafford and Salford.  its a new Manchester team and hence why shouldnt it get support?  I'm not sure where the RFL bashing has come from!
 
second, what's it got to do with safeguarding?  its an adult team.
 
third. it IS perfectly OK for a gay man or woman to coach children.

Well said.
With the best, thats a good bit of PR, though I would say the Bedford team, theres, like, you know, 13 blokes who can get together at the weekend to have a game together, which doesnt point to expansion of the game. Point, yeah go on!

#29 TaxiEgg

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Posted 26 April 2013 - 05:37 PM

Thats your opinion and your entitled to it many will disagree , at least I have the strength of conviction to air mine .

There is a place for everything and everything in its place.

 

 

 

I will apologise if any one is offended by my views .



#30 one shot

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Posted 26 April 2013 - 06:01 PM

Your views do not offend me, or indeed, the VAST silent majority!

#31 keighley

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Posted 26 April 2013 - 07:28 PM

Thats your opinion and your entitled to it many will disagree , at least I have the strength of conviction to air mine .

There is a place for everything and everything in its place.

 

 

 

I will apologise if any one is offended by my views .

 

If there was a junior team in Gareth Thomas neighbourhood and he offered to pass on his vast knowledge of rugby both league and union by offering to coach the said team, are you seriously suggesting they should tell him not to bother because he is gay, the very same person who is an official ambasador for the RWLC.

 

One's sexual preference is not a learned behaviour. And if the said team was a womens team, what objection would you voice then.

 

I am not offended but I think your mind set is somewhere in the 1920's.



#32 Marauder

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Posted 26 April 2013 - 08:15 PM

They made some poor decisions with regards to some appointments and got their priorities wrong. Hopefully they're now addressing this.

I agree that development is vitally important, but as I said, it doesn't have to be an either/or choice

I wish we could have both, but in these financially testing times IMO junior development officers would be my choice.


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#33 EdinburghExile

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Posted 26 April 2013 - 10:23 PM

Yikes, I thought this was a comedy thread at first, but apparently not.

 

Let's all just have a big manly hug shall we?



#34 TaxiEgg

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Posted 27 April 2013 - 07:09 AM

I concede on reflection that my views are not in with modern thinking and can understand the criticism levelled at me , having now read literature on the subject matter i think it is prudent to offer my unreserved apology to anyone I have offended, sometimes your heart rules your head .



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Posted 27 April 2013 - 07:43 AM

I concede on reflection that my views are not in with modern thinking and can understand the criticism levelled at me , having now read literature on the subject matter i think it is prudent to offer my unreserved apology to anyone I have offended, sometimes your heart rules your head .

I'm not offended mate, I've got a gay daughter and sister-in-law

 

My father hates gays (He was grabbed as a child but lucky for him his uncle was near and the rest is history)

 

Live and let live, I don't expect anything from a gay person and I also don't expect to give them more because they are gay.


Edited by Marauder, 27 April 2013 - 07:44 AM.

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#36 amh

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Posted 27 April 2013 - 07:45 AM

TaxiEgg, you are far from alone in having that opinion, and I'm glad to see you appear to have had a rethink on the matter.

 

It is sad that our sport like most other sports, is suffering in the economic climate, and therefore money has to be spread thinly, or even taken from one place to fund another, for the estimated bast impact. 

 

With regard to homosexuality, I will add one point to those already made. Have you ever considered the fact that some of the coaches, players, fans you know are gay, but through fear of opinion and losing the very job or sport they love and are good at, they chose to stay locked in a world of silence? I know several and sadly they feel they have to hide it.


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Posted 27 April 2013 - 07:52 AM

I concede on reflection that my views are not in with modern thinking and can understand the criticism levelled at me , having now read literature on the subject matter i think it is prudent to offer my unreserved apology to anyone I have offended, sometimes your heart rules your head .

Credit to you for thinking about what you've said and looking into things independently.
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#38 nec

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Posted 27 April 2013 - 09:40 AM

As others have said TaxiEgg deserves credit for the considered research and rethink, it is important that we do challenge these views on here in particular as this board may be the first port of call to new players/fans in developing areas and we want to seem welcoming
Rugby League is a sport that desperately needs to expand its geographical supporter base and its player base. This imperative means that all other requirements are secondary until this is done.

All power in the game should be with governing bodies, especially international governing bodies.

Without these actions we will remain a minor sport internationally and nationally.

#39 terrywebbisgod

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Posted 27 April 2013 - 03:12 PM

Why do you think it is right ?

What should a persons sexuality have anything to do with their ability to coach ANY side,the fact that someone is gay should not exclude them from coaching.


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Posted 27 April 2013 - 09:31 PM

Wow, I am new to using the Total RL forum and started the post in the hope I could gain opinion on the RFL's investment into established clubs based on the Boots n All segment on Canalsiders. I am astonished it has gained so much debate. The simple truth is we sould always promote equality, whether it is race or sexuality, who cares! The more we have playing league the better, however, there is an issue still surrounding the fundemental aim or objective the RFL have; is it to increase participation at junior or senior or is it to improve, support and fund established clubs in the hope of promoting a better player pool in which we can have a stronger professional and international setup?

 

We will never compete with footballl, forget it, we will never change opinion in the south, forget it, we will never have devolved nations who have league as a main sport, forget it, but we will always have a strong northern and midlands participation.  So support your Rochdale's, Dudley Hills and Wigan St Patricks as this is where the future lies!






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