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No neutral refs for World Cup?


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#1 DiddyDave

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Posted 28 April 2013 - 03:47 AM

I`ve just read an article in the NZ Herald that there will be/could be no neutral refs in the 2013 World Cup. Much as I`m staggered by this piece of news,I`m not really surprised as this is one more example of the Australians getting their own way again and can`t understand why the Poms and the Kiwis are letting them do it. In the Aussies opinion,the only good referees are Australian,so you don`t have to be a genius to work that they`ll insist on one of their own reffing all their games. Ludicrous,the game will suffer immenmsely if this is allowed to happen,it will cause a whole load of trouble and the game will become a laughing stock. I know Klein reffed the 2008 Grand Final,but he was then an English based ref. Why should top English refs miss out just to suit the arrogant Aussies? 



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Posted 28 April 2013 - 05:08 AM

Hmm ? Just read the whole of that article. And the inference seems to be that they need to UP the standard of international refs.

"We understand and like the principle behind neutrality," says Rugby League International Federation chairman Scott Carter, "but we are most supportive of having the best available referee."

I'm guessing you remember Scott Carter is a born n bred Kiwi ?


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Posted 29 April 2013 - 03:03 AM

Who is he? Is he another Phil Houston who was a good ref a few years ago and just as good as a lot of the refs in the NRL,but never got a chance. I recall another bloke called Black who I think reffed a few games in the last World Cup in Australia,but where is he? Can you imagine the Grand Final at Old Trafford between Australia and England with an Aussie ref in the middle? I don`t think so,no local fans will accept that,so they need to sort it out now.



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Posted 29 April 2013 - 07:25 AM

I think this is the article:-

 

http://www.nzherald....jectid=10880197

 

Not really any great surprise that. We haven't really had neutral refs for years.

 

Bringing more English referees into the NRL could be the way forward for the international game. Sometimes English referees have struggled with the pace of transtasman games. Having them in the NRL would ensure they were up to speed when called to adjudicate in the international arena.

 

Interesting idea ( :unsure: ), but maybe if they brought some more NZ refs through the NRL it might help the international game as well. And if the NRL and SL were working off the same refereeing system (one ref or two?) it might help as well. And while we're at it, if the rules were standardised in all levels of the game it might assist referees in international matches as well.

 

BTW, I thought this line was a wind up -

 

Klein is an excellent referee whose credentials or professionalism - like those of his compatriots - are beyond question

 

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#5 G Las D

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Posted 29 April 2013 - 08:54 AM

Neutral refs are a must especially in international games.

All countries taking part in international fixtures should agree to that.

No one country should dictate to others even from a position of strength.

There may be more aussie refs working at the top level but that doesn't automatically mean they are all better or to my mind outnumber the rest in a pool of referees for a tournament.

 

The game in Australia is very professional.

It is generally based on high standards and strong principles.

All top class sports ensure a neutral referee in games. In most sports this is nowadays seen as a basic principle for an international fixture.

 

It's not a case of suspecting any of the refs would deliberately cheat or bend the rules to favour a side. It's just to be seen to be fair and to not be able to be questioned on the point.


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Posted 29 April 2013 - 11:07 AM

I think what should be happening with the refs is an exchange during the season. I'd like to see half a dozen refs from each hemisphere spend a month in the others league. It would help British/French players understand what Aussie refs are after. As most of the rule changes are coming from the NRL it would help our refs understand the reason for some of the rule changes. As most rules are brought in to solve a problem that is developing over there that needs stopping. Our league can be a couple of years behind tactically sometimes so rules can be brought in over here to solve problems that haven't yet happened over here. So reffing over there would help our refs get the idea behind some new interpretations.

#7 DiddyDave

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Posted 01 May 2013 - 03:54 AM

But there you go again,why is it that rule changes always seem to originate in Australia? Surely it should be across the board,not slight differences here and there,then "international rules" whenever there`s a World Cup on,or the usual end of season tournament. In fairness I guess the Anzac test can be reffed by an Aussie ref as both sets of players play in the NRL,but it still rankles when all the 50/50 calls and "bounce of the ball" always seem to favour the Aussies. 



#8 thirteenthman

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Posted 01 May 2013 - 04:29 PM

But there you go again,why is it that rule changes always seem to originate in Australia?

 

Not always. The rule change this year with the advantage rule at knock ons is only used in the UK (and what a stupid rule that is), and the one where the ref signals a circle to say the team is on a general warning. Both used only in the UK. Granted most of the rule changes originate from down under, but not all.



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Posted 02 May 2013 - 09:50 AM

Reminder to NRL refs:

 

There is such a things as a sin bin.

You must wear the shorts with the pockets in so you can carry yellow and red cards


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Posted 03 May 2013 - 02:37 PM

the one where the ref signals a circle to say the team is on a general warning. Both used only in the UK.

Apparently, the rule isn't new, but the signal is


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#11 Bob8

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Posted 04 May 2013 - 05:23 AM

Neutral refs are a must especially in international games.

All countries taking part in international fixtures should agree to that.

No one country should dictate to others even from a position of strength.

There may be more aussie refs working at the top level but that doesn't automatically mean they are all better or to my mind outnumber the rest in a pool of referees for a tournament.

 

The game in Australia is very professional.

It is generally based on high standards and strong principles.

All top class sports ensure a neutral referee in games. In most sports this is nowadays seen as a basic principle for an international fixture.

 

It's not a case of suspecting any of the refs would deliberately cheat or bend the rules to favour a side. It's just to be seen to be fair and to not be able to be questioned on the point.

It is not so much a question of suspecting the refs as not trusting the ARL.  We have seen they will put huge pressure on refs when they can and we have seen that it seemingly has an effect at potentially crucial points in games.  There have been few of these points, as Australia are far ahead, however, the ARL do not want their refs because or their passion for the integrity of the international game.

 

In my adult life, the only time when I have doubted the impartiality of the ref is a Celtic Porto game in the UEFA Cup and Australia RL games.  The stakes are very high, as for Australia to lose to England in an important match for the first time in decades would be a humiliation for the ARL administration.


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Posted 05 May 2013 - 10:53 AM

Tony Archer had a great game last time he reffed England v Australia didn't he? I can honestly say its the only time I have suspected a ref at that level of actually cheating. Not just getting a couple of calls wrong, that happens but Archer actually cheated imo. Would Engalnd have won otherwise? Probably not, but he made sure we didn't.


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Posted 07 May 2013 - 08:22 PM

Tony Archer had a great game last time he reffed England v Australia didn't he? I can honestly say its the only time I have suspected a ref at that level of actually cheating. Not just getting a couple of calls wrong, that happens but Archer actually cheated imo. Would Engalnd have won otherwise? Probably not, but he made sure we didn't.

 

That is utter rubbish. Referee bashing in almost all circumstances is a losing player, coach or supporter not accepting the failings of themselves or their club. 



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Posted 08 May 2013 - 06:24 AM

Impartiality is all part of being a ref,I was one myself for many years reffing soccer in NZ. Living in Taupo,being a member of the Bay of Plenty Refs,I had to reluctantly be in the middle of many a Taupo home game as I was the only bloke (mug) available,and you soon get to "know" the players,so much so that it becomes embarassing and the away team get to know that you`re a "homer" too. That was unavoidable as I was the only official ref in the town,but it still leaves a bad taste and this is exactly what will happen if Aussie refs are allowed to ref Aussie games,no matter how impartial they would undoubtedly be. Cricket finally had to give up on having locals umpiring and rugby league must be the same,no matter what.



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Posted 26 May 2013 - 06:49 PM

Tony Archer had a great game last time he reffed England v Australia didn't he? I can honestly say its the only time I have suspected a ref at that level of actually cheating. Not just getting a couple of calls wrong, that happens but Archer actually cheated imo. Would Engalnd have won otherwise? Probably not, but he made sure we didn't.

I always defend ref's, but Tony Archer was the most biased ref i have ever seen at international level.He even made then French refs of the 60s and 70s seem neutral.






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