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Is Tony Smith right about the play offs?


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#21 Just to be clear

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Posted 30 April 2013 - 10:06 AM

So once legitimate Leeds' expenses were deducted, what was Wakefield's reward for finishing in a playoff spot, at a guess the equivalent of a 4000 home gate.

Just to be clear, unless it has changed the proceeds from playoff games (after expenses) go to the RFL to go towards the prize money at the end of the season. All teams receive something based on their position, so there is still something to play for if you can't make the playoffs or just win one playoff match. As Wakefield were knocked out in the first round then as the lower ranked team compared to Huddersfield they finished in 8th place.

#22 brooza

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Posted 30 April 2013 - 10:12 AM

Just to be clear, unless it has changed the proceeds from playoff games (after expenses) go to the RFL to go towards the prize money at the end of the season. All teams receive something based on their position, so there is still something to play for if you can't make the playoffs or just win one playoff match. As Wakefield were knocked out in the first round then as the lower ranked team compared to Huddersfield they finished in 8th place.

brooza, I think you're correct


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#23 Larry the Leit

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Posted 30 April 2013 - 10:18 AM

Just to be clear, unless it has changed the proceeds from playoff games (after expenses) go to the RFL to go towards the prize money at the end of the season. All teams receive something based on their position, so there is still something to play for if you can't make the playoffs or just win one playoff match. As Wakefield were knocked out in the first round then as the lower ranked team compared to Huddersfield they finished in 8th place.

 

I didn't know that.  I'd be interested to hear what the net benefit of Trinity finishing 8th and getting knocked out in the first playoff game was against coming in ninth.

 

The thing that stuck for me was that there seemed to be a very healthy crowd in at Headingley that evening for a marquee game, but the club with perhaps the most vocal chairman about how the game should be run for the benefit for the game of the whole only managed to attract/report and subsequently hand over receipts for an under ten thousand crowd, way under their average.  


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#24 Godzilla

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Posted 30 April 2013 - 12:12 PM

If you have a 14 team division and no p&r you need more than 6 teams in the play offs otherwise there really would be a plethora of meaningless games towards the end of the season.

 

Play the 5v8 and 6v7 games as a mid week preliminary round and you'd have a real incentive to finish in the top 4, you'd avoid playing 3 games in a week.

 

Change to a 7 team play off with a preliminary 4v7 and 5v6 sudden death round and you'd effectively get back to the 5 team play off that rewards the team finishing first whilst still giving meaning to most games in the run in (at least for 1 of the teams involved).



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Posted 30 April 2013 - 12:55 PM

If you have a 14 team division and no p&r you need more than 6 teams in the play offs otherwise there really would be a plethora of meaningless games towards the end of the season.

 

Play the 5v8 and 6v7 games as a mid week preliminary round and you'd have a real incentive to finish in the top 4, you'd avoid playing 3 games in a week.

 

Change to a 7 team play off with a preliminary 4v7 and 5v6 sudden death round and you'd effectively get back to the 5 team play off that rewards the team finishing first whilst still giving meaning to most games in the run in (at least for 1 of the teams involved).

Or 7 teams

 

Week 1:

Leaders get a bye

2v7

3v6

4v5

 

Week 2:

Leaders get club call!

 

Week 3:

Final


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#26 Dave T

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Posted 30 April 2013 - 12:57 PM

How did the relegation decider against the other playoff games though in terms of BARB figures and crowds?

 

Playoff 1 - Leeds v Wire - 10,508 - TV, 252k

Playoff 2 - Bradford v Salford - 8,611 - TV, 186k

 

Playoff 3 - Hull v Saints - 14,038 - TV 221k

Playoff 4 - Bradford v Warrington - 12,302 - TV 252k

 

Playoff 5 - Hull v Bradford - 16,087 - TV 208k

 

Grand Final - Saints v Hull - 72,582 = TV 349k

 

So whilst the Cas v Wakefield game rightly got a lot of attention in the two towns and RL media - the reality is that it wasn't as attractive as any of the playoff games to the general public.



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Posted 30 April 2013 - 01:09 PM

Playoff 1 - Leeds v Wire - 10,508 - TV, 252k

Playoff 2 - Bradford v Salford - 8,611 - TV, 186k

 

Playoff 3 - Hull v Saints - 14,038 - TV 221k

Playoff 4 - Bradford v Warrington - 12,302 - TV 252k

 

Playoff 5 - Hull v Bradford - 16,087 - TV 208k

 

Grand Final - Saints v Hull - 72,582 = TV 349k

 

So whilst the Cas v Wakefield game rightly got a lot of attention in the two towns and RL media - the reality is that it wasn't as attractive as any of the playoff games to the general public.

 

Just to be clear, Wakefield is a city and not a town.

 

I watched Aston Villa versus Sunderland last night, there were over 40 thousand at Villa park on a Monday night with the game on television.  When I went to watch Villa earlier in the season against Southampton I doubt there were more than about 25 thousand there.  Like it not, relegation is interesting.

 

I take your point about it perhaps not being attractive to a wider audience, but I think the sample being used is too small to be illustrative of any pattern.


Edited by Larry the Leit, 30 April 2013 - 01:12 PM.

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#28 Dave T

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Posted 30 April 2013 - 01:27 PM

Just to be clear, Wakefield is a city and not a town.

 

I watched Aston Villa versus Sunderland last night, there were over 40 thousand at Villa park on a Monday night with the game on television.  When I went to watch Villa earlier in the season against Southampton I doubt there were more than about 25 thousand there.  Like it not, relegation is interesting.

 

I take your point about it perhaps not being attractive to a wider audience, but I think the sample being used is too small to be illustrative of any pattern.

The sample was in response to a direct question.