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#21 Wellsy4HullFC

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Posted 30 April 2013 - 06:47 AM


Crowds outside SL are not higher but they would be with automatic P&R especially if there were 2spots up for grabs to SL. I actually think SL crowds would go up too


And I think when you produce some evidence to support this, people will actually listen after all these years!
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Posted 30 April 2013 - 06:49 AM

In sports where you can have more than one fixture a week, you are maximising the number of attendees per club (as well as coverage in the media). Football completely blankets the papers as it's on nearly every day and they play twice a week most weeks.
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#23 shrek

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Posted 30 April 2013 - 07:13 AM

For greyhounds, it can easily build up.

 

1450 people 4 times per week at one track = 5800

5800 people 52 weeks of the year = 301,600

301,600 at 10 tracks = 3m

Theres 25 tracks listed on the GB Greyhound website, so your right they will add up!

 

Be interesting to see what the like for like "average" is in the original table is, needs something to put those figures into context.



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Posted 30 April 2013 - 09:15 AM

Evidence of sorts can be found in football. The jump from non-league to football league used to be a chasm spanned by unfathomable reelection and occasional corruption. Crowds in the top tier of the non-league were poor and the same was true at the bottom of div 4. Auto (with min standards) pro & rel has increased crowds in both. Compare & contrast with the Highland League, from whence 2 of the current top 6 in the SPL came, no p&r and low crowds
Rugby League is a sport that desperately needs to expand its geographical supporter base and its player base. This imperative means that all other requirements are secondary until this is done.

All power in the game should be with governing bodies, especially international governing bodies.

Without these actions we will remain a minor sport internationally and nationally.

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Posted 30 April 2013 - 09:17 AM

And I'm very interested in what happens when we strip out internationals for attendance


Then again it shows just how important a strong international season is - not that some of us needed telling...

#26 Honor James

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Posted 30 April 2013 - 11:19 AM

In sports where you can have more than one fixture a week, you are maximising the number of attendees per club (as well as coverage in the media). Football completely blankets the papers as it's on nearly every day and they play twice a week most weeks.

 

Which is interesting, as an independant indicator of how much less physically demanding a sport soccer is than rugby.

 

I think it most unlikely that players of either rugby code, at any level, could reasonably be expected to play two full, competitive games a week on a regular basis, right through the season, year on year.

 

Not unless every club could afford to maintain a regular `fluid 34'  (i.e. 2 interchangeable sides) squad (plus a spare 13 or so in case of injuries), and effectively manipulating the side each week so that no player played two full games in a week more than once say every month?

 

Not being any kind of expert in these matters I don't know if even that would be feasible, but watching the (very) occasional game of American football, I get the impression they may be working with a much larger squad than than they have men on the field at any one time.

 

I'd be interested to know what more knowlegeable forum members think.

 

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#27 Futtocks

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Posted 30 April 2013 - 11:23 AM

Not bein any kind of expert in these matters I don't know if even that would be feasible, but watching the (very) occasiona game of American football I get the impression they may work with a much larger squad than than they have men on the field at any one time.

American Football teams have offensive and defensive specialists. The long waits between plays allows interchanges and positional/tactical setups for the next stage of the game. A quick Google seems to indicate that a professional team has a squad of about 50 players.

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#28 Blind side johnny

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Posted 30 April 2013 - 02:19 PM

Gambling is the pull there, just like horse racing.  Take the gambling out of both and my guess would be that the figures for both would drop through the floor.

 

 

That should explain why cricket gets such a high attendance then.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

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#29 Blind side johnny

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Posted 30 April 2013 - 02:23 PM

American Football teams have offensive and defensive specialists. The long waits between plays allows interchanges and positional/tactical setups for the next stage of the game. A quick Google seems to indicate that a professional team has a squad of about 50 players.

 

 

 

...and the offensive players have an average professional career span of less than 4 years I believe.


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#30 sweaty craiq

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Posted 30 April 2013 - 06:03 PM

Most of the difference will be internationals circa 1.5m pa for 4 home nations.



#31 gingerjon

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Posted 30 April 2013 - 07:32 PM

...and the offensive players have an average professional career span of less than 4 years I believe.

Probably just as well as you can (apparently) make something of a link between games played and life expectancy.
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#32 Larry the Leit

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Posted 30 April 2013 - 07:34 PM

...and the offensive players have an average professional career span of less than 4 years I believe.

 

I would suspect that that is pretty similar to rugby league as well.  Plenty sign professional terms but most never make it.



#33 Wellsy4HullFC

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Posted 30 April 2013 - 08:20 PM

Which is interesting, as an independant indicator of how much less physically demanding a sport soccer is than rugby.

I think it most unlikely that players of either rugby code, at any level, could reasonably be expected to play two full, competitive games a week on a regular basis, right through the season, year on year.

Not unless every club could afford to maintain a regular `fluid 34' (i.e. 2 interchangeable sides) squad (plus a spare 13 or so in case of injuries), and effectively manipulating the side each week so that no player played two full games in a week more than once say every month?

Football clubs tend to have huge squads, so they regularly rotate a lot of their players. Not sure how many players will go through a full season in the team these days, if any.

I've said this in the past about maybe going the two games a week + bigger squads option. More games makes more income from gates, sponsors and TV as well as more full time players and more exposure in the media. Squad rotation would always be an issue though. You can get away with playing a few games on the bounce in football, but not in rugby.
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Posted 01 May 2013 - 12:29 PM

Cricket attendances are improved markedly by the internationals. This summer England have 7 test matches and 12 one dayers, not including the ICC Champions Trophy which is being held here.

 

Back of a fag packet sums.

Lords - 28,000 x 2 tests / The Oval - 23,000 / Old Trafford - 22,000 / Trent Bridge - 17,000 / Headingley - 20,000  / Durham - 19,000.

That gives 785,000 people at test matches (assuming they last 5 days).

 

Lords / Hampshire x 3 / Trent Bridge / Oval x 2 / Durham / Old Trafford / Headingley / Cardiff / Edgbaston.

245,000 people at one day fixtures.

 

Around a million of the 2.3million for cricket will be there for international fixtures.

18 counties, each playing 102 days of competitive cricket, 1,836 days in total. Approximately 708 spectators per day.


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#35 Futtocks

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Posted 02 May 2013 - 01:49 PM

Interestingly, while County Cricket gets underwhelming attendances, this year the BBC are streaming commentary on all games and the number of hits has been very high.

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Posted 02 May 2013 - 03:22 PM

Interestingly, while County Cricket gets underwhelming attendances, this year the BBC are streaming commentary on all games and the number of hits has been very high.

 

Cricket is an odd game. Unlike any other I can think of, you can easily follow the action without pictures (ie. radio commentary) and I believe a lot of people regularly tuned in to Test Match Special on the radio while at work. Perhaps these people have just shifted to the net from the radio?


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#37 cookey

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Posted 03 May 2013 - 06:22 AM

Anyone noticed how few people watch the golf and tennis tournaments,outside of the Majors.For many European golf tournaments,there seem to be only 2 men and a dog,whilst the stands at the various 'ordinary' tennis tournaments are often empty.



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Posted 03 May 2013 - 06:34 AM

Crowds outside SL are not higher but they would be with automatic P&R especially if there were 2spots up for grabs to SL. I actually think SL crowds would go up too

But you and all the other P & R brigade do not support automatic P & R. It's always P & R with standards and no championship club is up to standard.

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Posted 03 May 2013 - 08:34 AM

Anyone noticed how few people watch the golf and tennis tournaments,outside of the Majors.For many European golf tournaments,there seem to be only 2 men and a dog,whilst the stands at the various 'ordinary' tennis tournaments are often empty.

 

Frankly, I can't understand why the dog puts up with it. I can just about understand the pleasure of playing golf (not for me, though!), but WATCHING it! Dear Lord! Why on Earth would anybody go to watch golf?  :wacko:


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#40 OMEGA

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Posted 03 May 2013 - 09:26 AM

How many events?
Domestic only or including internationals
Too much detail missing to get a proper idea of what's happening

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