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#21 gingerjon

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Posted 01 May 2013 - 10:39 AM

I don't know, but it's better now.  I only posted it as a one off stat to balance your own.

Fair enough.  Relegation battles and supposedly convenient kick off times aren't the solution when the only example that seems to exist of it generating decent gates is the one time it involved actual, proper local rivals having a winner-takes-all final match.


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#22 Just to be clear

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Posted 01 May 2013 - 04:56 PM

Oh and the Bulls lowest is wrong, I believe that's taken from the Salford home game in 2011, when in fact it was just issued incorrectly in the press.

Thanks. Just to be clear, you are correct and checking the attendance should have been 12,487.

Bradford's lowest then is 6,217 against Catalans in August 2010.

The 12,301 high for London is a bit of a cheat, that was the official attendance for their home match against Huddersfield during the first season as Harlequins in 2006. But it was a doubleheader with the union Harlequins vs Leeds match first, one ticket covered both games but most people had already left before the league one kicked off.

London's next best attendance though is 10,014 against Wigan in 1996 at The Valley.

The Huddersfield highest attendance was their first round game against Leeds in 2008. And Sheffield's was for the visit of Bradford in 1997.

#23 Wellsy4HullFC

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Posted 01 May 2013 - 05:25 PM

Just to be clear, attendance ranges for all Super League clubs are:

Bradford - 4,487 to 24,020
Castleford - 2,874 to 11,731
Catalans - 4,197 to 18,150
Crusaders - 1,122 to 10,334
Gateshead - 1,580 to 6,631
Halifax - 1,276 to 9,342
Hull KR - 6,299 to 10,250
Huddersfield - 2,102 to 15,629
Hull - 3,161 to 23,004
Leeds - 4,122 to 23,035
Leigh - 3,201 to 7,458
London - 1,136 to 12,301
Oldham - 2,168 to 7,709
Paris - 500 to 17,873
Salford - 1,989 to 10,146
Sheffield - 2,024 to 10,603
St Helens - 4,227 to 18,098
Wakefield - 2,370 to 11,000
Warrington - 3,298 to 15,000
Widnes - 4,501 to 9,825
Wigan - 6,005 to 25,004
Workington - 1,400 to 3,461

Interesting stuff. Can't exactly read much into it, but gives us something to chat about!

Many of the larger attendances for the smaller clubs came from very large away followings - Hudds and Sheffield being examples.

Interesting that Hull KR have the highest "lowest" crowd. Guessing the majority of the low crowds were generated pre-2000 when SL first started going.
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Posted 01 May 2013 - 06:45 PM

Bless him, at least he's trying.

Love the fact that the latest resident troll defines himself as someone who "still has a life." The irony!

 

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#25 Pottsy

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Posted 01 May 2013 - 06:46 PM

Correct!

http://www.reds.co.u...-report?sri=375


Whatever the official stats might suggest, there were even more there for our cup games against Wigan amd Saunts in 97. There were even people on the building site

#26 Larry the Leit

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Posted 01 May 2013 - 07:08 PM

Thanks. Just to be clear, you are correct and checking the attendance should have been 12,487.

Bradford's lowest then is 6,217 against Catalans in August 2010.

The 12,301 high for London is a bit of a cheat, that was the official attendance for their home match against Huddersfield during the first season as Harlequins in 2006. But it was a doubleheader with the union Harlequins vs Leeds match first, one ticket covered both games but most people had already left before the league one kicked off.

London's next best attendance though is 10,014 against Wigan in 1996 at The Valley.

The Huddersfield highest attendance was their first round game against Leeds in 2008. And Sheffield's was for the visit of Bradford in 1997.

 

Fulham got over 15000 for a game with Wakefield at the Cottage, I know because I was there.  A bit cheeky counting an empty double header game, but I still think there is potential in London, but not at The Stoop.

 

Was the Huddersfield game with Leeds discounted in any way?  I don't see them as a well supported club but they seem to be making progress.


Edited by Larry the Leit, 01 May 2013 - 07:08 PM.

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#27 JohnM

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Posted 01 May 2013 - 08:15 PM

There were 11k at Wakefield for the relegation battle with Castleford.  The biggest crowd at Belle Vue in 20+ years.

 

 relegation battle or wake?   :rolleyes: 

 

when was it and who was relegated?



#28 jackknife

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Posted 01 May 2013 - 09:21 PM

Just to be clear, attendance ranges for all Super League clubs are:

Bradford - 6,217 to 24,020
Castleford - 2,874 to 11,731
Catalans - 4,197 to 18,150
Crusaders - 1,122 to 10,334
Gateshead - 1,580 to 6,631
Halifax - 1,276 to 9,342
Hull KR - 6,299 to 10,250
Huddersfield - 2,102 to 15,629
Hull - 3,161 to 23,004
Leeds - 4,122 to 23,035
Leigh - 3,201 to 7,458
London - 1,136 to 12,301
Oldham - 2,168 to 7,709
Paris - 500 to 17,873
Salford - 1,989 to 10,146
Sheffield - 2,024 to 10,603
St Helens - 4,227 to 18,098
Wakefield - 2,370 to 11,000
Warrington - 3,298 to 15,000
Widnes - 4,501 to 9,825
Wigan - 6,005 to 25,004
Workington - 1,400 to 3,461

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#29 Padge

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Posted 01 May 2013 - 09:33 PM

I don't know, but it's better now.  I only posted it as a one off stat to balance your own.

 

But it shows that 'relegation battles' don't necessarily generate great interest. These great 'relegation battle' attendances are extremely few and extremely far between. 



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#30 The Parksider

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Posted 02 May 2013 - 06:18 AM

Just to be clear, attendance ranges for all Super League clubs are:

Bradford - 6,217 to 24,020
Castleford - 2,874 to 11,731
Catalans - 4,197 to 18,150
Crusaders - 1,122 to 10,334
Gateshead - 1,580 to 6,631
Halifax - 1,276 to 9,342
Hull KR - 6,299 to 10,250
Huddersfield - 2,102 to 15,629
Hull - 3,161 to 23,004
Leeds - 4,122 to 23,035
Leigh - 3,201 to 7,458
London - 1,136 to 12,301
Oldham - 2,168 to 7,709
Paris - 500 to 17,873
Salford - 1,989 to 10,146
Sheffield - 2,024 to 10,603
St Helens - 4,227 to 18,098
Wakefield - 2,370 to 11,000
Warrington - 3,298 to 15,000
Widnes - 4,501 to 9,825
Wigan - 6,005 to 25,004
Workington - 1,400 to 3,461

Very interesting thanks for all the time and effort......

#31 Larry the Leit

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Posted 02 May 2013 - 10:18 AM

But it shows that 'relegation battles' don't necessarily generate great interest. These great 'relegation battle' attendances are extremely few and extremely far between. 

 

I think that goes largely without saying.  Sport for me is about excitement and uncertainty.  How did Wigan's crowds stand up when they were in the mire and ultimately recovered to send Castleford down?

 

 

 relegation battle or wake?   :rolleyes:

 

when was it and who was relegated?

 

Wakefield Trinity haven't been legitimately relegated since the 1986/1987 season.  


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#32 The Parksider

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Posted 03 May 2013 - 06:25 AM

How did Wigan's crowds stand up when they were in the mire and ultimately recovered to send Castleford down?

It didn't stand up it went up from 13,900 to 14,400.

I went to some of the games and the fact was their fans simply carried on supporting their club in the same numbers.

They were all happy to take some rough with the smooth.

You can see above from JTBC's excellent research just how many people are interested in big time professional RL, yet how few go when clubs have a sustained period of failure.

Relegation battles are nearly always about clubs who are failures and regular failures at that.

The argument made for a closed shop Superleague was they wanted all clubs to spend full cap and also have a vibrant youth system that would lead to some clubs being down one year then challenging for the honours another year. The model was the NRL always was always will be.

After Cas went down the fight was on to avoid relegation and the key game (when there is a relegation dogfight it only ever throws up one or at best two games that capture the fans imagination) was Salford.v.HKR.

The crowds flooded in from Manchester, special trains came across the pennines, the kick off was put back three hours, and an extra 2,000 fans over the Salford average turned up and most of them were clearly Rovers fans.

What will pull in the fans is a Salford that stop being perennial losers and can drag themselves up the league, there's easily a few thousand EVERY match available to the club if they can do that.

In 2006 we had the winner takes all relegation battle between Wakey and cas. I was there and so were 11,000 others. A complete one off. The next to last wakey match against Leeds had drawn a disapointing average crowd only of 5,400. The next to last Cas game had drawn an awful crowd.

The problem is not a lack of P & R it's clubs who just can't hack SL scrubbing around the bottom of the league and its an absurd plan to introduce them to a mini competition playing other clubs who equally can't hack Superleague.




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