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#21 tim2

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Posted 30 April 2013 - 01:52 PM

An interchange is not normally allowed on the pitch until the person they are replacing has left the field completely.
Also as far as I'm aware changes can't be made unless your the team in possession of the ball (or at least that's what I'm told in Champ 1). So the 14th man would have been on for a while if that's the case.

Interchanges can be made when defending, it's just a daft thing to do as you are a man down while the interchange takes place.

2 possibilities:

1. Salford put the player on without going via the official.

2. The interchange official has allowed the interchange without making sure a player came off

Either way, no replay. Technically, it's no worse an offence than any other in the law book that goes unseen by the officials.

I have done this job and have had players throw the interchange card on the floor and try to run on without waiting for the player to come off. At that stage (if the other player stayed on) you should stop the game but that's easier said than done as the ball may be in play and some distance away. In this example it would be a penalty to the non-offending side where the 14th player entered the field, 10m in (I think). Never seen this type of penalty given.
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#22 Viking Warrior

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Posted 30 April 2013 - 02:00 PM

tansey's high shot was as bad as mellis......
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#23 Dave T

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Posted 30 April 2013 - 03:08 PM

The high shot was nowhere near as bad as Meli's. He was wrong-footed for one.



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Posted 30 April 2013 - 03:09 PM

This could cost Cas, they could be relegated. Oh hang on a minute. It doesn't really matter does it.



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Posted 30 April 2013 - 04:36 PM

The high shot was nowhere near as bad as Meli's. He was wrong-footed for one.


I agree and so do the judiciary, early plea and no ban.

#26 jackknife

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Posted 30 April 2013 - 06:11 PM

Cheating bast......s ;) they'll get a fine imo which the cash Dr will pay from petty cash(who said salford couldn't buy a win), at the very most a possible points deduction depending on the circumstance but think that would be harsh.
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#27 Saintslass

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Posted 30 April 2013 - 06:34 PM

tansey's high shot was as bad as mellis......

No it wasn't.  It was nowhere near as bad as Meli's.



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Posted 30 April 2013 - 07:40 PM

Back in the day when the then Auckland Warriors joined the winfield cup and John Monie was the coach, they won a game but he made either one sub to many or had more men on the field than 13 I can't remember which it was. But the result was they lost the 2 league points.
In this case Salford clearly have 14 men on the pitch defending their goaline in the dying minutes of the game when leading by only 4 points. I think there is a clear case for the points to be stripped and given to Cas.

#29 Wellsy4HullFC

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Posted 30 April 2013 - 08:07 PM

I think there is a clear case for the points to be stripped and given to Cas.

Why should Cas get the points? There is nothing to suggest that they'd have definitely win had this not happened.

A precedent has been set and the fine wasn't too large. I think there should be a harsher punishment but it has to be official and not made up on the spot in a reactionary way.
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Posted 30 April 2013 - 08:18 PM

A genuine mistake, thiese things happen.

#31 Brigg Rover

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Posted 30 April 2013 - 08:26 PM

Why should Cas get the points? There is nothing to suggest that they'd have definitely win had this not happened.

A precedent has been set and the fine wasn't too large. I think there should be a harsher punishment but it has to be official and not made up on the spot in a reactionary way.

Why not Salford have gained an unfair advantage in the game, even if it was for only 1 or 2 tackles. I have no problem with setting a precedent.

#32 Roy Boy

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Posted 30 April 2013 - 11:24 PM

Just watched the dying minutes again - clearly, Salford have 14 players lined up in defence from 76.33 (earliest it was noticeable on Sky) until at least 76:46 (last shot available) that's too long to go unpunished - can see Salford losing thd points here!
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#33 jackknife

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Posted 01 May 2013 - 07:36 AM

I wonder if the player coming on or the player meaning to come off actually made any tackles and wether that would make any difference.

I would never in a million years expect the points to go to the opposite team but salford could have there points stripped, I dont think a fine really does justice.
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#34 Red Willow

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Posted 01 May 2013 - 07:39 AM

Did the possession leading to this attack come from the drop out where Cas were offside?

 

If so Caas shouldn't have had the possession, as they should have waited for all the players to be on side.

 

I expect a fine and a warning about future conduct.



#35 Dave T

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Posted 01 May 2013 - 07:55 AM


Just watched the dying minutes again - clearly, Salford have 14 players lined up in defence from 76.33 (earliest it was noticeable on Sky) until at least 76:46 (last shot available) that's too long to go unpunished - can see Salford losing thd points here!

from memory that was almost identical to the Bulls v Wire one a few years back that saw little punishment. The Bulls were defending their own line on that occasion. A precedent has been set.

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Posted 01 May 2013 - 02:32 PM

Salford City Reds have been charged with a breach of RFL Operational Rules by fielding 14 players for a period during a Super League fixture against Castleford Tigers on Saturday April 27.

 

Salford are alleged to be in breach of Operational Rules B1.1, (General Competition Rules - Laws of the Game); B2:4 (Match Day Operations Manual (section D15 – Interchange)) and Operational Rule D1.8 (a) (serious or persistent breach of the RFL Operational Rules). 

 

The matter will be dealt with by an RFL Operational Rules Tribunal which will sit on Wednesday May 8.

 

If Salford are found to have breached RFL Operational Rules the Tribunal panel may consider a range of possible sanctions.  With limitation, these include a fine or in the case of a finding of misconduct which impinges on the integrity of the competition the deduction of competition points.

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#37 41hound

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Posted 01 May 2013 - 02:45 PM

So basically if it is deliberate - points deduction, if it is a cock up - fine sufficient?

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Posted 01 May 2013 - 04:49 PM

So basically if it is deliberate - points deduction, if it is a cock up - fine sufficient?

 

As always, how can anyone possibly determine the intention? I think the rfl will make an example of us and dock us the two points. I can't honestly say I'd blame them, it's unprofessional at the very least.


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#39 jackknife

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Posted 01 May 2013 - 09:34 PM

Just read on sky sports that a similar thing happen in SL n the team got a fine but when it happened in the NRL the team got a fine n the points deducted the NRL game finished 28-26 not sure of the SL score. Id guess the fact this game was stil in contention will go against salford
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Posted 01 May 2013 - 10:28 PM

I've just thought up the answer to prevent this happening again - a member of each teams coaching staff should have an abacus with 13 black beads and 4 white ones (colours optional!) so they can slide them about to ensure only 13 players are actually playing.

A bit like a cricket umpire counting balls in an over with coins/stones :) :D

That is of course assuming they can count!

Edited by Roy Boy, 01 May 2013 - 10:29 PM.

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