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#41 tim2

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Posted 01 May 2013 - 09:21 AM

It must help the championship if it helps one of it's members?

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#42 brooza

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Posted 01 May 2013 - 09:49 AM

So who wins in the long run?
Briers gets a run out on his road to fitness... WIN
Warrington get a player acclimatised to the speed of the game......Win
Whitehaven get to face a real star of the game....LOSE
Swinton get a star player that could win them the game....WIN ( short term) but they also pee off their coach that is told who he must play...LOSE....the other Swinton players have to get used to a different style of play for one week...LOSE...
A very disgruntled player loses his place in the team( loss of wages) ...Lose , EVERY other Swinton Player knows that there is a better player waiting to boot him out of the team if someone at another club decides they want him dropped to make way for their star.

Yes, it helps the Superleague but does nothing for the Championship clubs

They're not told the must play him


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#43 Ackroman

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Posted 01 May 2013 - 10:04 AM

They're not told the must play him

So what's the point?

#44 Godzilla

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Posted 01 May 2013 - 10:06 AM

The DR system is a silly and stupid mess, not just because of the negative impact it has on the championship but because it doesn't work properly for the SL clubs either.

Read this for one example of the problems it causes: http://www.sportingl...gelling-impress



#45 brooza

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Posted 01 May 2013 - 10:12 AM

So what's the point?

They are available for selection, but don't have to be played.

 

But to be fair, the Swinton coach would jump at the chance for Briers to play


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#46 Manx RL

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Posted 01 May 2013 - 10:56 AM

They are available for selection, but don't have to be played.

But to be fair, the Swinton coach would jump at the chance for Briers to play


A great chance for the Swinton players to benefit from his experience too.
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#47 RIGGY

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Posted 01 May 2013 - 11:29 AM

If you read the news article on the RFL website you will see that Lee has volunteered to play for his friend Gary Chambers in a bit to get his fitness back.

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Posted 01 May 2013 - 11:32 AM

A great chance for the Swinton players to benefit from his experience too.

It can take a half back quite a while for his plays to gel, so he won't be playing there unless Swinton really don't care who they upset on the playing rosta.

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Posted 01 May 2013 - 11:40 AM

This DR shambles isn't helping anyone but SL, look where Swinton are in the table and there's discontent amongst their fan base. It won't exist in its present form after this season.

It's helping Hunslet to survive, they said so Terry.

I know we hear things like "the fans don't want it" but they also don't want their clubs to go under either.

I maybe favour the idea if you can't run as an independent club why bother at all?

But the answer at Hunslet is the fans DO want it. So live and let live....

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Posted 01 May 2013 - 11:51 AM

Fax, Fev and Sheffield are in a better state in a number of ways than London, Castleford and until recently Salford and Bradford. Fev are developing the Stadium-something Cas for example have failed to do despite many nice pictures. Halifax have also a ground that puts Wakefield and Castleford to shame for example. The Ground is being further developed over the summer months with better drainage, new Scoreboard and the North Stand being worked on. Halifax are consistantly making small profit and seeing them in a healthy position especially compared to a number of SL clubs that are losing hundreds of thousands a year, if not more. Sheffield allegedly have one of the best Sponsorship setups within the game and helps them match Fev and Fax despite getting way smaller crowds that them

Salford fail to run an U19s like the rest of the SL clubs. Sheffield and Featherstone who are not in SL manage to do this and fill the gap. But Salford said they couldnt commit to the U19s I believe.Salford do run a U16s/U23s side. But a number of championship sides run U23s and Sheffield, South Wales, Cumbria etc run U16s

Well we could argue this all day but suffice to say Salford have a very rich owner that keeps them in SL, London have a rich owner and junior system that keeps them in SL and Bradford have had the ground purchased by the RFL the team protected by their SL friends, and have a businesslike board that has kept them in SL.

The idea the clubs at the top of the championship are all in fine fettle and the lower SL clubs are in a worse state isn't true. Three are doing well in a comp of less than £1M turnover and a £300K cap, the others are holding their heads above water operating in a competition of several £million turnover and £1,65M wages. No like for like comparison at all here.

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#51 RIGGY

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Posted 01 May 2013 - 12:06 PM

It can take a half back quite a while for his plays to gel, so he won't be playing there unless Swinton really don't care who they upset on the playing rosta.

He will probably partner Gareth O'Brien on Thursday night as Ian Watson is out for about six weeks having just had a cartlidge operation.

#52 Keith T

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Posted 01 May 2013 - 12:38 PM

There is nothing wrong with the principle of the dual registration system IF the RFL had set out hard and fast rules at the start but their failure to this left it wide open for clubs to abuse it and that is what is causing so much upset amongst Championship clubs.

 

Having said that, if every club had taken the line that Swinton did and "signed" 6 Warrington players at the start of the season and then had the chance to play upwards of 5 more Warrington players on dual registration each game then the Championship would have most certainly become a glorified reserve team league competition.

 

Clubs using up to the maximum of 5 DR or loan players are pushing the boundary of the system whilst others have tried to stay within the spirit of the supposed system by only using DR players in instances of injury to their own players.

 

It's not the fact that Lee Briers is playing for Swinton that is a problem it is the fact that they have taken so many other Warrington players that even some of their own fans believe are just on loan for the season.


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#53 The Parksider

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Posted 01 May 2013 - 02:08 PM

Clubs using up to the maximum of 5 DR or loan players are pushing the boundary of the system whilst others have tried to stay within the spirit of the supposed system by only using DR players in instances of injury to their own players.It's not the fact that Lee Briers is playing for Swinton that is a problem it is the fact that they have taken so many other Warrington players that even some of their own fans believe are just on loan for the season.

Isn't it the case that for some CC clubs DR means one thing, and for other clubs it means another.

e.g. for some clubs it's handy to have access to a couple of DR players when you need them, for others it is necessary to have as many as possible or you won't be able to compete, then your very survival is threatened??

#54 Keith T

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Posted 01 May 2013 - 02:20 PM

Isn't it the case that for some CC clubs DR means one thing, and for other clubs it means another.

e.g. for some clubs it's handy to have access to a couple of DR players when you need them, for others it is necessary to have as many as possible or you won't be able to compete, then your very survival is threatened??

 

It is true that DR means many things to many clubs and that is where the RFL boobed by not setting more rigid rules at the very start.

 

However, any Championship club that needs to have 5 DR players every week in order to survive is in the wrong league and they should be in Championship 1 where the need for DR players isn't so great.    

 

It's one thing for a club with say, 24 players on their books having to use 3 or 4 DR players if they have a string of injuries but it is quite another thing for a club to only sign up 17 or 18 players and expect to use 3 or 4 DR players all season!!!


I remember when .............................

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#55 The Parksider

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Posted 01 May 2013 - 02:28 PM

It is true that DR means many things to many clubs and that is where the RFL boobed by not setting more rigid rules at the very start.
 
However, any Championship club that needs to have 5 DR players every week in order to survive is in the wrong league and they should be in Championship 1 where the need for DR players isn't so great.

That's the conclusion I come to as well.

But Hunslet say that CC1 will kill them off.

Maybe Swinton are of the same opinion?

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Posted 01 May 2013 - 03:34 PM

If you read the news article on the RFL website you will see that Lee has volunteered to play for his friend Gary Chambers in a bit to get his fitness back.

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#57 redditchbulldog

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Posted 01 May 2013 - 04:05 PM

The RFL accepted SKY money for the big clubs to get bigger and the small clubs to rot.

They could have refused the SKY money so that all clubs could stay semi-pro and Leigh, Oldham, Barrow, Swinton, Workington, Whitehaven etc could all have become a top flight club once again, and again over this last 17 years.

Speaking to RL friends in Leeds tonight they say people in Dewsbury, Batley, Hunslet and Halifax don't have the same interest in the game now. Less follow it and the less moan more.

So what about it? Should the RFL have refused to take the SKY money because this money split the clubs??

Exactly why folk in Dewsbury,Batley don't have the same interest in the game anymore its cos they can see that their local clubs are getting shafted all the time and no chance of been at the top table.
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#58 Ackroman

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Posted 01 May 2013 - 04:41 PM

That's the conclusion I come to as well.

But Hunslet say that CC1 will kill them off.

Maybe Swinton are of the same opinion?

Same here. If DR is to be used as a tool for fitness etc then CC1 is the best place for it. I would prefer it if those clubs that could afford it, creating their own U23 second team to compete in this league (with no promotion) rather than pinching Hunslet and Swinton etc to do it for them instead.

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Posted 01 May 2013 - 04:45 PM

Exactly why folk in Dewsbury,Batley don't have the same interest in the game anymore its cos they can see that their local clubs are getting shafted all the time and no chance of been at the top table.

My personal view is that the interest hasn't been that good for over 40 years. If ever and it's not DR. The demographic in the Heavy Woollen has changed forever now the mills and pits are gone, and with the improved links they are now commuter ghetto's. Professional RL needs a total re-think to determine how a club from that area can compete to get entry in the top division.

You probably wouldn't like the potential answer though.

#60 JohnM

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Posted 01 May 2013 - 05:05 PM

I'd agree with that.

 

What we don't know is how many people from Dewsbury and Batley continue their interest  in the game by following Leeds, Cas or  Wakefield.






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