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#1 slowdive

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Posted 06 May 2013 - 05:53 PM

Although I'm very unlikely to vote any more, I would prefer Labour to get in over the Tories. Unfortunately, it seems fairly obvious to me that Ed Milliband aint gonna get elected. Would Labour not be well advised to get rid sooner rather than later?


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#2 Bedford Roughyed

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Posted 06 May 2013 - 06:08 PM

I think Labour will win the next election despite Ed.

(dependant on the economy, tory infighting and the coalitions inability to do any policy with out messing it up)
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Posted 06 May 2013 - 07:40 PM

I think Labour will win the next election despite Ed.

(dependant on the economy, tory infighting and the coalitions inability to do any policy with out messing it up)

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Posted 06 May 2013 - 07:47 PM

I think Labour will win the next election despite Ed.

(dependant on the economy, tory infighting and the coalitions inability to do any policy with out messing it up)

As much as I would prefer Labour to win, I don't think they can with Ed. I don't think Ed has or is likely to be able to project himself as a credible PM. As much as I hate style over substance, Ed Milliband is not going to persuade the floating voter to vote for him. Labour should be murdering both the Tories and Lib Dems in polls and elections, but they're not.
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#5 Severus

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Posted 06 May 2013 - 10:09 PM


As much as I would prefer Labour to win, I don't think they can with Ed. I don't think Ed has or is likely to be able to project himself as a credible PM. As much as I hate style over substance, Ed Milliband is not going to persuade the floating voter to vote for him. Labour should be murdering both the Tories and Lib Dems in polls and elections, but they're not.


TBF people thought that about Cameron and he got in with a bit of help from the Lib Dems.
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#6 Trojan

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Posted 06 May 2013 - 10:22 PM

At the moment I reckon Labour are getting a pretty raw deal from the media. Especially the BBC.  Anyone who heard Martha Kearney's interview with the three party leaders must surely come to the same conclusion.  Last Monday Milliband, announced as the "Leader of the Labour Party" - not "The Leader of the Opposition" was given a really hard time by Kearney, with interuptions, not allowing him to finish sentences and talking over him.  Cameron (The Prime Minister) was allowed to smoothly put his points, avoid awkward questions and attack Labour.  I didn't hear the interview with Clegg but did hear him described as "Deputy Prime Minister" 

Overall there seems to be a general attempt to belittle Milliband - similar to the tactics used upon Kinnock.  I also heard a Today interview with Harriet Harman and the hectoring interupting was similar to that used on Milliband.

I've also noticed on the World at One on the occasional Wednesday when Cameron deigns to answer questions that if he has a success over Milliband Kearney is quick to point this out - however if the boot is on  the other foot Milliband's victory is ignored.  The Beeb these days appears to have a definite pro Tory tone. But then it's run by an ex Tory minister so what can you expect?


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#7 Wolford6

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Posted 06 May 2013 - 11:44 PM

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#8 Methven Hornet

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Posted 07 May 2013 - 04:29 AM

Although I'm very unlikely to vote any more, I would prefer Labour to get in over the Tories. Unfortunately, it seems fairly obvious to me that Ed Milliband aint gonna get elected. Would Labour not be well advised to get rid sooner rather than later?

 

According to the opinion polls Miliband is not popular (I think he might even be seen as being less effective than Cameron), and Labour are not where they should be at this stage of the electoral cycle and with a struggling government. That said who is going to win? Are the Conservatives really going to do as well as they did in 2010 with their record, them tearing themselves apart over Europe and issues like gay marriage, and the right wing vote being split by UKIP? The Lib Dems after they have alienated a lot of their previous support?

 

Labour could end up as the largest party by default and, therefore, in power.


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#9 gingerjon

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Posted 07 May 2013 - 05:42 AM

Labour could end up as the largest party by default and, therefore, in power.

We could easily end up with a situation where the winning party polls around 30% on a 60% turnout - and gets something close to a majority thanks to FPTP.
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Posted 07 May 2013 - 05:42 AM

How many times is canetman going to use the phrase 'champagne socialist'. Is it this seasons 'guardianista'? Why do the right love to band around these petty little phrases?
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Posted 07 May 2013 - 06:01 AM

How many times is canetman going to use the phrase 'champagne socialist'. Is it this seasons 'guardianista'? Why do the right love to band around these petty little phrases?

Put him on ignore.
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Posted 07 May 2013 - 08:35 AM

Honestly it makes no difference whatsoever who wins the election. Nothing will change.
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Posted 07 May 2013 - 09:28 AM

How many times is canetman going to use the phrase 'champagne socialist'. Is it this seasons 'guardianista'? Why do the right love to band around these petty little phrases?

Put him on ignore.

How many times are you two going to answer some of the points raised and stop taking cheap shots at  posters who don't toe the 'right on' line.



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Posted 07 May 2013 - 09:33 AM

How many times are you two going to answer some of the points raised and stop taking cheap shots at  posters who don't toe the 'right on' line.

 

You should read the Ukip thread.  We've covered it all there.  Including Canetman's proposals to legalise penis extensions, brothels and steam trains.


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Posted 07 May 2013 - 09:41 AM

How many times are you two going to answer some of the points raised and stop taking cheap shots at  posters who don't toe the 'right on' line.

 

 

As soon as someone uses a pejorative term, the words 'so called', 'right on' to describe liberal attitudes and, when talking to them in person, air quotes they've lost any respect I had for their argument. ;)


Edited by Severus, 07 May 2013 - 09:46 AM.

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#16 gingerjon

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Posted 07 May 2013 - 09:46 AM

Eh, what have I done?

 

Other than being a union-loving, cheddar-chasing, Maths lecturer?


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Posted 07 May 2013 - 09:47 AM

Other than being a union-loving, cheddar-chasing, Maths lecturer?

 

Cheddar is 50 odd miles away from Gloucester, perhaps you mean Double Gloucester :P


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#18 Griff9of13

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Posted 07 May 2013 - 10:32 AM

Other than being a union-loving, cheddar-chasing, Maths lecturer?

 

 

Cheddar is 50 odd miles away from Gloucester, perhaps you mean Double Gloucester :P

 

It's cheese rolling in Gloucester http://www.cheese-ro...o.uk/index1.htm As any fule kno  ;)


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#19 l'angelo mysterioso

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Posted 07 May 2013 - 10:41 AM

How many times are you two going to answer some of the points raised and stop taking cheap shots at posters who don't toe the 'right on' line.

How many times have you got?

As well as being trite don't you think the term champagne socialist is a cheap shot?

I'm with canetman on a hell of a lot of stuff especially duty free beer, compulsory rugby league in schools(although I think it should be all schools) and his proposals for public transport, albeit with my own tweaks especially concerning the contribution of Edward Thompson: but believe him to be better than to use the term in question. Nobody's perfect

Edited by l'angelo mysterioso, 07 May 2013 - 10:46 AM.

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#20 Severus

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Posted 07 May 2013 - 10:46 AM

It's cheese rolling in Gloucester http://www.cheese-ro...o.uk/index1.htm As any fule kno  ;)

 

Yeah but they certainly don't roll cheddar down (I grew up at the foot of Coopers hill). 


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