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#261 Larry the Leit

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Posted 28 August 2013 - 09:55 PM

He's doing a fairly decent job of making Cameron and the grinnin Hague (is it a grinning matter?) look like blithering idiots on Syria IMO, although it's not much of a challenge.
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#262 Wolford6

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Posted 28 August 2013 - 10:22 PM

Unfortunately, I've been busy, making the most of the NHS while we still have it.

 

 

 

Have you had the snip?

I hope not.

I reckon the only way Miliband can attract new supporters to the party is to breed them from within.

;) ;) :tongue:


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#263 Larry the Leit

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Posted 29 August 2013 - 05:14 AM

Have you had the snip?
I hope not.


Sounds like a "come on" to me.

Edited by Larry the Leit, 29 August 2013 - 05:15 AM.

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#264 Wolford6

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Posted 29 August 2013 - 06:04 AM

Well, I don't move in your circles.


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#265 archibald

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Posted 29 August 2013 - 07:04 AM

Unless Labour have managed to fit in a few bye-elections overnight then they've still no majority, which means the real kick in the ###### came from within the Tory ranks or the Lib Dems.

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Posted 29 August 2013 - 07:11 AM

Unless Labour have managed to fit in a few bye-elections overnight then they've still no majority, which means the real kick in the ###### came from within the Tory ranks or the Lib Dems.


Cameron won't leave himself open as a leader that started another non-winnable war, unless he can say the house supported him.
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#267 JohnM

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Posted 29 August 2013 - 08:04 AM

I think its a sensible and reasonable move, Parliamentary democracy in action,  so clearly it wasn't Miliband's idea.

 

Also, Steve May, rest assured the NHS is safe  in the long term, as Labour will not get re-elected.



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Posted 03 September 2013 - 01:44 PM

And the first of the party leaders cracks over the bill to restrict lobbyists.  Just think of the charities!  I suppose it's a new version of "just think of the children/terrorists/paedophiles".

 

It's blatant scaremongering about a law that's long overdue.  The only way to limit the power of lobbyists in Parliament is to first be open about who they are and how much they're spending.


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Posted 03 September 2013 - 01:54 PM

Charities pay lobbyists.
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#270 West Country Eagle

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Posted 03 September 2013 - 01:54 PM

And the first of the party leaders cracks over the bill to restrict lobbyists.  Just think of the charities!  I suppose it's a new version of "just think of the children/terrorists/paedophiles".
 
It's blatant scaremongering about a law that's long overdue.  The only way to limit the power of lobbyists in Parliament is to first be open about who they are and how much they're spending.


There was an interesting discussion about this on Radio Five Live earlier, where a woman from a lobbying firm said that it's flawed, because it's very limited in its scope - i.e many lobbyists won't have to be registered, so nothing will change. Her suggestion was, in fact, that the bill has been designed to look good, but won't make a difference. Also, will it cut down on the "jobs for the boys" culture in Whitehall, where whatever government's in charge appoints advisors from the private sector with vested interests (see the department of health, which now seems to be staffed by people who were previously big in private healthcare companies, the same companies that will benefit from carving up the NHS). Also, will it stop political parties from selling spaces at "private dinners" with major players in the party (E.G Cameron's supper at number 10 club, and the other one where you get access to Gideon)?

If you're going to have a bill to cut dopwn on lobbying, make it one that actually makes a difference. This bill seems to be as much about cutting down union influence on Labour than any attempt to actually cut down on corruption and vested interests.
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#271 JohnM

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Posted 03 September 2013 - 01:57 PM

Ah! Matrix Chambers again! Cherchez the fee earning lawyers!



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Posted 03 September 2013 - 01:58 PM

There was an interesting discussion about this on Radio Five Live earlier, where a woman from a lobbying firm said that it's flawed, because it's very limited in its scope - i.e many lobbyists won't have to be registered, so nothing will change. Her suggestion was, in fact, that the bill has been designed to look good, but won't make a difference. Also, will it cut down on the "jobs for the boys" culture in Whitehall, where whatever government's in charge appoints advisors from the private sector with vested interests (see the department of health, which now seems to be staffed by people who were previously big in private healthcare companies, the same companies that will benefit from carving up the NHS). Also, will it stop political parties from selling spaces at "private dinners" with major players in the party (E.G Cameron's supper at number 10 club, and the other one where you get access to Gideon)?

If you're going to have a bill to cut dopwn on lobbying, make it one that actually makes a difference. This bill seems to be as much about cutting down union influence on Labour than any attempt to actually cut down on corruption and vested interests.

  the same companies that will benefit from carving up the NHS

 

a myth.



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Posted 03 September 2013 - 02:01 PM

There was an interesting discussion about this on Radio Five Live earlier, where a woman from a lobbying firm said that it's flawed, because it's very limited in its scope - i.e many lobbyists won't have to be registered, so nothing will change. Her suggestion was, in fact, that the bill has been designed to look good, but won't make a difference. Also, will it cut down on the "jobs for the boys" culture in Whitehall, where whatever government's in charge appoints advisors from the private sector with vested interests (see the department of health, which now seems to be staffed by people who were previously big in private healthcare companies, the same companies that will benefit from carving up the NHS). Also, will it stop political parties from selling spaces at "private dinners" with major players in the party (E.G Cameron's supper at number 10 club, and the other one where you get access to Gideon)?

If you're going to have a bill to cut dopwn on lobbying, make it one that actually makes a difference. This bill seems to be as much about cutting down union influence on Labour than any attempt to actually cut down on corruption and vested interests.

I get your point, I really do.  There's a good bit of political shenanigans going on here but it's a wedge in the door.  If in 2015 Labour get into power then they can amend it to include other areas that were missed.

 

I find it quite amusing hearing lobbyists calling the bill flawed and useless.  If it were truly useless and unlikely to adversely affect lobbyists then I think they'd be sitting back chuckling away rather than highlighting the fact.


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#274 Bedford Roughyed

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Posted 03 September 2013 - 07:57 PM

It not the lobbyists who are shouting the loudest.  It's charities and campaign groups who think the law will overspill and include them.

 

Greenpeace not allowed to campaign before an election, conservative home not allowed, etc.


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Posted 03 September 2013 - 08:02 PM


If you're going to have a bill to cut dopwn on lobbying, make it one that actually makes a difference. This bill seems to be as much about cutting down union influence on Labour than any attempt to actually cut down on corruption and vested interests

 

Its an old tory bugbear, those awful unions!!!


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#276 archibald

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Posted 03 September 2013 - 08:35 PM

Its an old tory bugbear, those awful unions!!!

It's a Labour bugbear too these days.



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Posted 04 September 2013 - 09:07 AM

A nice challenge for Ed.  The GMB union has announced it's cutting its annual donation to Labour from £1.2m to £155,000 plus cutting back heavily on local campaigns.


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Posted 04 September 2013 - 09:30 AM

Oh, he'll not be bothered. He'll just ask all his fellow Guardian readers to chip in and make up the difference. He has absolute confidence that they'll flock at the opportunity.


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Posted 04 September 2013 - 09:43 AM

The saddest thing about it is the Labour MPs seeming to be indifferent at best and gloating at worst that union links to Labour are being deliberately severed by Ed and pals.  It's only the likes of Tom Watson that are publicly trying to keep the links.


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Posted 04 September 2013 - 09:59 AM

A nice challenge for Ed.  The GMB union has announced it's cutting its annual donation to Labour from £1.2m to £155,000 plus cutting back heavily on local campaigns.

 

yes, and just before this year's TUC conference, too, though clearly there is no link.   :biggrin:

 

 

BBC chief political correspondent Norman Smith said the GMB hoped the pre-emptive move would help protect its political fund, which members are due to be balloted on next year.The concern was that if members felt the union was still giving large sums of money to the Labour Party, they might vote to scrap the political fund altogether.


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