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#821 Bedford Roughyed

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Posted Today, 02:15 AM

Are the days of relying on a core vote plus a chunk of the swinging centre gone?

 

UKIP, SNP and (to lesser degree) are all eating into that core vote.

 

Labours master plan was to count on the core vote and grab some of the central ground by looking tough on scroungers and following austerity.  That plan is now looking flawed as the SNP could make big ground in Scotland.

 

Labour to get most seats but no majority is the current fave prediction.


With the best, thats a good bit of PR, though I would say the Bedford team, theres, like, you know, 13 blokes who can get together at the weekend to have a game together, which doesnt point to expansion of the game. Point, yeah go on!

#822 Trojan

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Posted Today, 08:11 AM

If Labour get most seats but no majority I'm sure they'll form a minority government with support from the nats, the Lib/Dems and various Ulster parties.  Last time, according to Andrew Adonis's book, had he been given the chance Brown could have cobbled together a rag-tag coalition including the above, but Clegg preferred to get into bed with Dave, I think he may learn the error of this plan next May!


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#823 JohnM

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Posted Today, 10:18 AM

 “I rather liked David Miliband and have a sneaking suspicion he may return strengthened by his time out in the real world. But this lot? The Chuka Harman Burnham Hunt Balls brigade? I can't, in all seriousness, go into a booth and put my mark on any one of them.

 

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/politics/ed-miliband/11196959/Maureen-Lipman-abandons-Ed-Miliband-over-Israel.html



#824 ckn

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Posted Today, 11:06 AM

 “I rather liked David Miliband and have a sneaking suspicion he may return strengthened by his time out in the real world. But this lot? The Chuka Harman Burnham Hunt Balls brigade? I can't, in all seriousness, go into a booth and put my mark on any one of them.

 

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/politics/ed-miliband/11196959/Maureen-Lipman-abandons-Ed-Miliband-over-Israel.html

The thing is that there's no-one in Labour capable of replacing the stooges named there.  The last 18 years or so have seen it become far harder for anyone outside of the "in crowd" to get a chance at a winnable seat, it's seen that you either have to be a "name" like Del Piero or have done your apprenticeship within the central office to get a sniff these days.  Labour is in the same state now as the Tory IDS leadership phase, during IDS's tme the Labour Party just did as they saw fit with no credible opposition at all, right now even a middling Tory party should be running Labour ragged with the no-hopers in charge of Labour.  On the other side, a semi-credible Labour party would have already buried the Coalition and be sitting as kings-in-waiting for the next election given the amount of easy hits that the Coalition have served up.


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#825 tonyXIII

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Posted Today, 12:28 PM

The thing is that there's no-one in Labour capable of replacing the stooges named there.  The last 18 years or so have seen it become far harder for anyone outside of the "in crowd" to get a chance at a winnable seat, it's seen that you either have to be a "name" like Del Piero or have done your apprenticeship within the central office to get a sniff these days.  Labour is in the same state now as the Tory IDS leadership phase, during IDS's tme the Labour Party just did as they saw fit with no credible opposition at all, right now even a middling Tory party should be running Labour ragged with the no-hopers in charge of Labour.  On the other side, a semi-credible Labour party would have already buried the Coalition and be sitting as kings-in-waiting for the next election given the amount of easy hits that the Coalition have served up.


Which is why so many people don't vote nowadays.

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#826 JohnM

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Posted Today, 02:19 PM

I can understand that. It feels as if no matter which way you vote, its not going to change things. Yes Minister is alive and blocking. The current govt have made it known that the Whitehall functionaries are slow to do as they are told or do it wrongly, if they do it at all and I suspect that the previous Govt. made the same accusation.

 

The freedom for any govt to do the big things (from renationalising the railways to leaving the EU and everything in between) seems to be severely limited by external influences from Europe ( not just the EU) and from the world at large.



#827 ckn

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Posted Today, 02:26 PM

I can understand that. It feels as if no matter which way you vote, its not going to change things. Yes Minister is alive and blocking. The current govt have made it known that the Whitehall functionaries are slow to do as they are told or do it wrongly, if they do it at all and I suspect that the previous Govt. made the same accusation.

 

The freedom for any govt to do the big things (from renationalising the railways to leaving the EU and everything in between) seems to be severely limited by external influences from Europe ( not just the EU) and from the world at large.

I think that's just a convenient argument.  The threats from the EU have not stopped the French, Germans and other nations from nationalising, encouraging "buy local" schemes, protecting state-owned markets and so on, they just do it and tell the EU to "do one" when they argue.  The UK just happily concedes the ground though as it means we have to open it up to the private market where both the Tories and Labour people are happy to let things sit.


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#828 JohnM

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Posted Today, 02:49 PM

Yet when Cameron tells the EU to "do one", he attracts the opprobrium of the left-thinking on here.



#829 ckn

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Posted Today, 02:57 PM

Yet when Cameron tells the EU to "do one", he attracts the opprobrium of the left-thinking on here.

Cameron's recent "do one" is the same as someone who tells the government to "do one" when they start earning enough to be paying back their student fees loan!  There's a difference between sticking to a legally agreed formula as in the recent EU bill and ignoring an EC Commission recommendation on state funding.  Some things are binding, others are merely strongly persuasive.


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