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Is Silverwood making it up as he goes along?

Or does this sound right?

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#1 Larry the Leit

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Posted 07 May 2013 - 07:20 PM

I've got to say the RFL refs being on twitter is a brave fantastic move, but it could be a bumpy road.

 

Q - when Danny McGuire stood up and appeared to punch L'Estrange in the head, shouldnt it be a card like Poore for Wakey? https://twitter.com/...823925191393280

 

Felt McGuire did lash out but doesn’t really catch L’Estrange enough to warrant any more than a penalty & warning. RS https://twitter.com/...824179718529025

 
I must admit I am shocked that the intent doesn't seem to have been taken into account.  Surely McGuire didn't "lash out" with the intention of not hitting him?  Without trying to sound biased towards my own side, Justin Poore was sent from the field AND recieved a ban after "lashing out" following severe provocation from this year's media darling Liam Farrell.  Surely McGuire in throwing one had the same intent as Poore. 
 
 

Edited by Larry the Leit, 07 May 2013 - 07:21 PM.

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#2 South Wakefield Sharks

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Posted 07 May 2013 - 07:33 PM

I think the RFL Refs on Twitter is excellent. Don't have any problem with Silverwood's call. The refs know the rules best, they watched that incident again on video, so don't have a problem. Wasn't much room for doubt in Justin's case, was there?

There was one Tweet from the Wigan game (I think) where the ref said "Yep, got that one wrong".

Good on them.

I think if fans read the Twitter account with an open mind, many of us will learn a few things about the rules and how they are interpreted.

Fans might actually enjoy watching the games more, unless they get off in shouting themselves blue in the face telling the (professional, experienced & trained) ref, that he doesn't know the rules!!

#3 Larry the Leit

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Posted 07 May 2013 - 07:53 PM

I think the RFL Refs on Twitter is excellent. Don't have any problem with Silverwood's call. The refs know the rules best, they watched that incident again on video, so don't have a problem. Wasn't much room for doubt in Justin's case, was there?

There was one Tweet from the Wigan game (I think) where the ref said "Yep, got that one wrong".

Good on them.

I think if fans read the Twitter account with an open mind, many of us will learn a few things about the rules and how they are interpreted.

Fans might actually enjoy watching the games more, unless they get off in shouting themselves blue in the face telling the (professional, experienced & trained) ref, that he doesn't know the rules!!

 

No doubt with Poore, but my point was that McGuire threw exactly the same number of punches, and simply because he missed he's not been punished.  My understanding is that intent is intent and should be punished.

 

I love the account, but I just wonder whether Silverwood got this wrong at the time and has chosen to justify his call with a wishy washy explanation.  I'm just seeking a bit of clarity.


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Posted 07 May 2013 - 07:56 PM

I think the RFL Refs on Twitter is excellent. Don't have any problem with Silverwood's call. The refs know the rules best, they watched that incident again on video, so don't have a problem. Wasn't much room for doubt in Justin's case, was there?

There was one Tweet from the Wigan game (I think) where the ref said "Yep, got that one wrong".

Good on them.

I think if fans read the Twitter account with an open mind, many of us will learn a few things about the rules and how they are interpreted.

Fans might actually enjoy watching the games more, unless they get off in shouting themselves blue in the face telling the (professional, experienced & trained) ref, that he doesn't know the rules!!

 

come on, it is a known fact that these referees go into fixtures with a clear intention to ruin a day out for the fans of one team. I mean are you actually suggesting that the referees should be allowed to make errors like players (albeit less than the players)?



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Posted 08 May 2013 - 06:40 AM

They didn't answer either of my questions, therefore I think it's rubbish!


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#6 Kenilworth Tiger

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Posted 08 May 2013 - 06:51 AM

I've got to say the RFL refs being on twitter is a brave fantastic move, but it could be a bumpy road.
 
Q - when Danny McGuire stood up and appeared to punch L'Estrange in the head, shouldnt it be a card like Poore for Wakey? https://twitter.com/...823925191393280
 
Felt McGuire did lash out but doesn’t really catch L’Estrange enough to warrant any more than a penalty & warning. RS https://twitter.com/...824179718529025

 
I must admit I am shocked that the intent doesn't seem to have been taken into account.  Surely McGuire didn't "lash out" with the intention of not hitting him?  Without trying to sound biased towards my own side, Justin Poore was sent from the field AND recieved a ban after "lashing out" following severe provocation from this year's media darling Liam Farrell.  Surely McGuire in throwing one had the same intent as Poore. 
 

Why don;t you tweet them asking about the law around intent?
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#7 Just to be clear

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Posted 08 May 2013 - 07:02 AM

I must admit I am shocked that the intent doesn't seem to have been taken into account.

Just to be clear, Silverwood is right. Unless the intent was to do something very dangerous the interpretation has always been to penalise the outcome. Personally I agree you should punish the intent, but if you do that then you end up having to send players off for air shots which no one wants, fans or players, and would be seen as damaging the game. Which is why we have the current interpretation.

#8 Larry the Leit

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Posted 08 May 2013 - 08:48 AM

Just to be clear, Silverwood is right. Unless the intent was to do something very dangerous the interpretation has always been to penalise the outcome. Personally I agree you should punish the intent, but if you do that then you end up having to send players off for air shots which no one wants, fans or players, and would be seen as damaging the game. Which is why we have the current interpretation.

 

Or you'll end up with a situation where players don't routinely try to punch each other.  No bad thing.


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#9 Dave T

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Posted 08 May 2013 - 10:38 AM

Or you'll end up with a situation where players don't routinely try to punch each other.  No bad thing.

We already have that situation. Not an issue.



#10 Larry the Leit

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Posted 08 May 2013 - 11:02 AM

We already have that situation. Not an issue.

 

Well perhaps, however I'm at a loss as to why it's okay for McGuire to swing and miss.  He's not been punished.


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#11 Ant

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Posted 08 May 2013 - 11:13 AM

Well perhaps, however I'm at a loss as to why it's okay for McGuire to swing and miss. He's not been punished.


Silly boy, he plays for Leeds
He can even swing and hit and remain unpunished...

#12 terrywebbisgod

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Posted 08 May 2013 - 04:11 PM

Silly boy, he plays for Leeds
He can even swing and hit and remain unpunished...

Oh dear,failed attempt at banter.


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#13 Exiled Rhino

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Posted 08 May 2013 - 05:44 PM

Just to be clear, Silverwood is right. Unless the intent was to do something very dangerous the interpretation has always been to penalise the outcome. Personally I agree you should punish the intent, but if you do that then you end up having to send players off for air shots which no one wants, fans or players, and would be seen as damaging the game. Which is why we have the current interpretation.

 

I do remember a lovely swinging arm from Karl Fairbank that would have sent Vince Fawcett's head over the posts if he hadn't ducked under it.  Fairbank walked for that one.  As he seemed to do in nearly every Leeds - Bradford game in the early 90s.  The other ones did connect, mind.



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Posted 09 May 2013 - 12:38 PM

Oh dear,failed attempt at banter.


Banter nothing, that ones deadly serious

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Posted 09 May 2013 - 03:50 PM

first time i've seen that clip, Farrell s***housing then put on ######, priceless!



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Posted 09 May 2013 - 04:59 PM

Banter nothing, that ones deadly serious

Sorry,just plain pathetic then.


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#17 Larry the Leit

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Posted 09 May 2013 - 05:04 PM

first time i've seen that clip, Farrell s***housing then put on ######, priceless!

 

Physical intimidation is a huge part of the international game, I'm pretty sure that the Aussies will have seen that and laughed their heads off.  It should also rule him out of contention for the Man of Steel award on principle.


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#18 Larry the Leit

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Posted 11 May 2013 - 06:39 PM

So just a week after watching McGuire lash out with a punch and getting a warning during the fixture, today we see him do it again, this time multiple punches thrown and no card for him, not even a penalty.  Wardle rightly sent off for punching, but I am perplexed as to why McGuire didn't come under scrutiny for his customary rush of blood.

 

He's clueless at fighting, but the intent is clear.


Edited by Larry the Leit, 13 May 2013 - 03:04 PM.

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