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Marwan Koukash - Set to ignore the salary cap!


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#41 Dave T

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Posted 09 May 2013 - 03:58 PM

Maybe he just looks around and wonders how some clubs get away with doing a b & c when others don't? Maybe he just wants the best for Salford and isn't prepared to sit back and die wondering?

Whatever, IMO it makes a change to see a chairman of a lower club kicking off and wanting the best for them. I'm sure he'll calm down in time.

Are clubs getting away with it? I'm sure it's very very easy to do a quick check to see if Wigan, Warrington or Leeds have any players wives working for one of their sponsor's companies.

 

I'm also interested in his point that he is pretty much paying to the full cap already this year. If that is the case they are either paying well over the odds already, or it is clear that the top clubs ignore the cap.



#42 RSN

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Posted 09 May 2013 - 03:59 PM

I'd rather he shouted about it rather than kept it quiet if I'm honest. Good on him IMO. No investor can currently get his side into the top 4 with the current cap I'm afraid. Fev go on about spending full cap if they get into SL yet they'll be lucky to break into the top 8 even if they do so.

Maybe the top clubs don't want a rise in salary cap because if it stays at 1.8m they have a better chance to stay at the top.

#43 Dave T

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Posted 09 May 2013 - 04:01 PM

Most on here are missing the big picture.

 

Are those - so vehemently against MK`s comments - satisfied with the way the game is going? - satisfied that the very top players are actually coming into RL? etc etc

 

Moyes is on £80k a week whilst at Everton.   So lets say Salford amass 30 players @ £ 60k pa  the current salary cap is hit.   Is that the quality we need in this game?

 

We must start to appeal to people who want to see excitement and quality and until the Cap is abolished the game will not made inroads.

Not really sure of your point. Football has a billion pound contract and sponsors coming out of its ears so their players and managers can be paid more.



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Posted 09 May 2013 - 04:05 PM

Are clubs getting away with it? I'm sure it's very very easy to do a quick check to see if Wigan, Warrington or Leeds have any players wives working for one of their sponsor's companies.

 

I'm also interested in his point that he is pretty much paying to the full cap already this year. If that is the case they are either paying well over the odds already, or it is clear that the top clubs ignore the cap.

Sinfield has said that a lot of the Leeds players could earn more moving to other clubs, but they'll stay on a slightly lower salary because of the culture at the club and the opportunity to win things. I'm sure the same can be said of players at Wigan/Wire etc.

 

So spending the salary cap won't necessarily get you players that are as good as another club that pays the full cap (look at London for example)


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#45 Johnoco

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Posted 09 May 2013 - 04:11 PM

Are clubs getting away with it? I'm sure it's very very easy to do a quick check to see if Wigan, Warrington or Leeds have any players wives working for one of their sponsor's companies.

Dave, businesses are always one step ahead of the authorities when it comes to declaring incomes or avoiding paying their full whack. I'm pretty sure the guys involved in our top RL clubs are no different.

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#46 foozler

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Posted 09 May 2013 - 04:12 PM

Mentioned on another thread, margquee players, union players salary don't count onf the cap for two years, I think, I posted it but my memory is a bit bleary!

 

Seperately, this is a bit of a slap in the face of the RFL - which they may need - but it was Wood who introduced him to the game and told him explicitely about Salford's troubles. They then allowed him to complete the take-over.

 

I am all in favour of a marquee player allowance in RL.

 

Let's be clear though that in the Aviva Premiership there is only 1 marquee player (MP) per club and that there are a number of restrictions governing the application of the allowance in regard to English players.

 

For example, Newcastle RU are likely to be promoted back to the Aviva for next season. Let's imagine they want a new fly half/ stand off. The Falcons could sign All Black maestro Dan Carter, register him as their marquee player on a £2m pa contract, pay him that amount from day 1 and still have the full £4.3m cap for the rest of their squad. So their effective cap is £6.3m.

 

However, if they wanted to sign say Owen Farrell from Saracens, they would have to wait 2 years before they could register him as their marquee player. They could pay him £2m pa from day 1 but this would count on the cap. This measure is designed to stop clubs raiding each other for English players.

 

Obviously there could be issues about the exact identity of the marquee player and other squad members feeling hard done by so I think most Premiership clubs keep their marquee player's identity underwraps. Bath I think went public on the fact All Black McDonald was their MP but by all accounts he was a flop (Bath are loaded though so wouldn't have been an issue). It is probably fair to assume that Gavin Henson was London Welsh's MP, and that Danny Cirpriani would be Sale's MP.



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Posted 09 May 2013 - 04:31 PM

He is outspoken because he wants to keep the topic on the agenda ,

It's not surprise the SL clubs who voted for no change in the cap are the ones who are benefitting most from the current arrangement...

 

the quote about overspending the cap initially is not a new one , he annouced this in his 1st interview in January .

 

Is it about being honest about how finances are actually handled in SL , or about knowing ' your place ' in the SL pecking order ?

 

Salford City Reds' owner says he'll simply mirror what other clubs have done to work around the Super League's salary cap rules

 

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With Brian Noble - Ed Farish & Andrew Chalmers he'll be well appraised how ' things are done ' , isn't it he is actually being the most candid about what is going on ?

 

He'd  have to go some to bring a sport so mis mangaged by it's own authorities into disrepute ..


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#48 Southstander13

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Posted 09 May 2013 - 04:41 PM

Dave, it sometimes takes something like this to stir up the cosy boys gang that seem to have settled into Red Hall. Nothing wrong with a bit of controversy sometimes, I'm sure he is no mug and not so green as to tell about something wrong he might do.

Besides, he's only saying what actually happens.

 I think thats what he might be trying to do, stir the hornets nest so to speak, rattle a few cages, and see where it gets him!



#49 Pottsy

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Posted 09 May 2013 - 04:46 PM

totally agree with hindle and brooza flagrant disregard for the rules of the game will bring anarchy and koukash is being an absolute prat spouting that he will break the salary cap, perhaps he should break the cap and sign a few thousand more supporters for the club..............


If what he says is true, there already is a 'flagrant disregard for the rules.' It's just being restricted to a small cartel.

At least he's being honest.

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Posted 09 May 2013 - 04:47 PM

I think thats what he might be trying to do, stir the hornets nest so to speak, rattle a few cages, and see where it gets him!

So far: nowhere.

The salary cap has not been raised, Salford have not been exempted from the cap ...

Meanwhile Salford's average crowd has dropped from 5,431 last season to 3,285 this.

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#51 Johnoco

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Posted 09 May 2013 - 04:50 PM

So far: nowhere.

The salary cap has not been raised, Salford have not been exempted from the cap ...

Meanwhile Salford's average crowd has dropped from 5,431 last season to 3,285 this.

What a brilliant mind the good doctor is.

Had he not taken over what would have happened? Would crowds magically have grown?

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Posted 09 May 2013 - 04:55 PM

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Posted 09 May 2013 - 04:56 PM

Sinfield has said that a lot of the Leeds players could earn more moving to other clubs, but they'll stay on a slightly lower salary because of the culture at the club and the opportunity to win things. I'm sure the same can be said of players at Wigan/Wire etc.
 
So spending the salary cap won't necessarily get you players that are as good as another club that pays the full cap (look at London for example)


This is exactly why the cap doesn't work. The bigger clubs will stay the bigger clubs as the only way the up and coming clubs (think man city in football) can compete is by offering big wages.

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Posted 09 May 2013 - 05:08 PM

So far: nowhere.

The salary cap has not been raised, Salford have not been exempted from the cap ...

Meanwhile Salford's average crowd has dropped from 5,431 last season to 3,285 this.

What a brilliant mind the good doctor is.

 

He has signed Darrell Griffin though.



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Posted 09 May 2013 - 05:13 PM

and this type of announcement is the reason we should never return to P&R people like koukash would willingly break the rules to keep their club in the top flight.

 ** polite cough **

                            As I mistook you for a Wigan follower the first time,I must stress that for a Widnes follower to mention promotion and relegation after you lot cried sufficiently to form a sea when Crusaders were promoted,and the salary cap has failed in not only its objectives but in the way it has been policed,the criticism of Dr Koukash is wholly wrong.

The coverage for/and of Salford in the press,and on forums,is pretty impressive.

As you NOW do not want to return to promotion and relegation demonstrates the hypocrisy of a Widnes follower now that you have a rich owner and one who seems to have got his own way with the RFL,for reasons not made public.



#56 Pottsy

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Posted 09 May 2013 - 05:22 PM

So far: nowhere.

The salary cap has not been raised, Salford have not been exempted from the cap ...

Meanwhile Salford's average crowd has dropped from 5,431 last season to 3,285 this.

What a brilliant mind the good doctor is.


You are hardly a 'brilliant mind' yourself if you think Dr K has anything to do with the fall in crowds at Salford this year. Really silly point.

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Posted 09 May 2013 - 05:22 PM

So far: nowhere.

The salary cap has not been raised, Salford have not been exempted from the cap ...

Meanwhile Salford's average crowd has dropped from 5,431 last season to 3,285 this.

What a brilliant mind the good doctor is.

 

My word Ginge you do not like him do you?   Give it a rest.  As for Salford - we are very lucky to have had hime in the first place - we had no chance of competing this season as our squad was decimated and all our decent players `cherry picked`.   Compare our crowds NEXT season and then I would be happy to debate with you.



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Posted 09 May 2013 - 05:22 PM

Before I catch up, I did wonder; if this was to help bring about change then I'd be all for it, except it isn't, he opens by saying he asked for a dispensation for Salford. That was refused so now he's taken this tactic.


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Posted 09 May 2013 - 05:26 PM

My word Ginge you do not like him do you?   Give it a rest.  As for Salford - we are very lucky to have had hime in the first place - we had no chance of competing this season as our squad was decimated and all our decent players `cherry picked`.   Compare our crowds NEXT season and then I would be happy to debate with you.

If he's still around next season then I'll be happy to debate with you too. It's not that I don't like him it's just that beyond waving a cheque book around and yelling I've not seen anything to back up this idea of a shrewd man who's going to turn Salford into a powerhouse. The fact that crowds have plunged is significant to my mind because if the noises coming out of the club were positive rather than an owner shouting about how little respect he has for the competition then the combination of new ground and new investment should have led to at least a plateau from last season.
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#60 Dave T

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Posted 09 May 2013 - 05:27 PM

If what he says is true, there already is a 'flagrant disregard for the rules.' It's just being restricted to a small cartel.

At least he's being honest.

It's a big if. How would he know that the big clubs are breaking the cap?






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