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#41 Padge

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Posted 14 May 2013 - 08:18 PM

there have been transfer bans haven't there? Did they make any difference?

 

edit: anyway that'll be the early seventies then if you check out GB's record against Australia.

 

There was a transfer ban which I think was only lifted in the early eighties. Though it tended not to apply to Kiwis.



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Posted 14 May 2013 - 08:19 PM


mid 70s working class Britain was a low point anyway wasnt it - not just RL


Illustrating a massive flaw in rugby league demography and culture: it's narrow class and income base: terrible. But if you think that was a did the only issue you are deluding yourself
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Posted 14 May 2013 - 08:27 PM

Illustrating a massive flaw in rugby league demography and culture: it's narrow class and income base: terrible. But if you think that was a did the only issue you are deluding yourself

 

That demography has also held us back in the sponsorship stakes. Fags and brewers in the past (back to brewers now) and loan sharks and gambling today.


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Posted 15 May 2013 - 07:27 AM

Illustrating a massive flaw in rugby league demography and culture: it's narrow class and income base: terrible. But if you think that was a did the only issue you are deluding yourself


What else do you think it was then?

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Posted 15 May 2013 - 07:39 AM

What else do you think it was then?


Lack of ambition and a willingness to 'know its place' rather than break out if its northern working class shackles.

A destructive league structure frequently tinkered with to attempt to address the in built flaws that were causing that destruction

A willingness to embrace, even celebrate the stereotype that it represented giving the media an open goal

Bad leadership from the top. The appalling fallowield was replaced by the much better Oxley, and things improved but a lot of damage had been done and Oxley along with Howes still persisted with beer and fags

The way the sport was structured with clubs acting in their own narrow self interest

Lack of investment in even basically civilised facilities

Them wot tdays
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#46 gavin7094

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Posted 15 May 2013 - 06:07 PM

Impossible

Utter tosh. I watched the game for 30 years and the skills of players across the board have improved out of sight. Individuals have got stronger, faster and fitter


How are the latter an indication of the former?

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Posted 15 May 2013 - 06:41 PM

Lack of ambition and a willingness to 'know its place' rather than break out if its northern working class shackles.

A destructive league structure frequently tinkered with to attempt to address the in built flaws that were causing that destruction

A willingness to embrace, even celebrate the stereotype that it represented giving the media an open goal

Bad leadership from the top. The appalling fallowield was replaced by the much better Oxley, and things improved but a lot of damage had been done and Oxley along with Howes still persisted with beer and fags

The way the sport was structured with clubs acting in their own narrow self interest

Lack of investment in even basically civilised facilities

Them wot tdays


Agree about some of those (not the league structure though surprise surprise!)

Mind -didnt RU have a John Player Trophy in the 70s?

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Posted 15 May 2013 - 09:15 PM

What else do you think it was then?

 

In two words, Bill Fallowfield - a mole from the RFU sent to destroy the game. Not only did he turn out at lock for Moortown RFC, he also tried to re-introduce the Union style ruck after the tackle.


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Posted 15 May 2013 - 09:18 PM

Agree about some of those (not the league structure though surprise surprise!)

Mind -didnt RU have a John Player Trophy in the 70s?

 

 

What sport didn't have tobacco sponsorship once the government had banned TV advertising?  Union, Cricket, Snooker, Formula One, RL, I'm sure there are loads more.  It's said that when a Tory health minister tried to ban tobacco sponsorship of sport Denis Thatcher himself (a former Union ref) intervened to put a stop to the ban because Union were benefitting from John Player.


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Posted 15 May 2013 - 09:38 PM


In two words, Bill Fallowfield - a mole from the RFU sent to destroy the game. Not only did he turn out at lock for Moortown RFC, he also tried to re-introduce the Union style ruck after the tackle.


I was too young but Fallowfields time in charge sounds horrendous and indeed it does seem like he was an insider working to kill off RL.

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#51 Larry the Leit

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Posted 15 May 2013 - 10:17 PM

In two words, Bill Fallowfield - a mole from the RFU sent to destroy the game. Not only did he turn out at lock for Moortown RFC, he also tried to re-introduce the Union style ruck after the tackle.

 

Have you any more detail to share Trojan?  It's well before my time, and his Wiki entry gives me nothing to go on http://en.wikipedia....ill_Fallowfield



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Posted 16 May 2013 - 10:00 AM

It was also Fallowfield's decision to abolish the Welsh national team, at a time when they were pretty decent.

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Posted 16 May 2013 - 10:13 AM

What sport didn't have tobacco sponsorship once the government had banned TV advertising?  Union, Cricket, Snooker, Formula One, RL, I'm sure there are loads more.  It's said that when a Tory health minister tried to ban tobacco sponsorship of sport Denis Thatcher himself (a former Union ref) intervened to put a stop to the ban because Union were benefitting from John Player.

it was a question of extent and dependence.

 

For much of the 70s  80s and beyond  rugby league was completely dependent on tobacco and alcohol sponsorship

 

not just the player' number 6/john player trophy , but the challenge cup-involving everal successive brands.

 

This was a measure ofthe narrowness of Rugby League's appeal to sponsors as much as the spread oftobacco and alcohol sponsorship.


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Posted 16 May 2013 - 10:14 AM

It was also Fallowfield's decision to abolish the Welsh national team, at a time when they were pretty decent.

 

he also scuppered the world cup,


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Posted 16 May 2013 - 10:15 AM

Have you any more detail to share Trojan?  It's well before my time, and his Wiki entry gives me nothing to go on http://en.wikipedia....ill_Fallowfield

covered extensively in the writings of Tony Collins


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Posted 17 May 2013 - 10:54 AM

Have you any more detail to share Trojan?  It's well before my time, and his Wiki entry gives me nothing to go on http://en.wikipedia....ill_Fallowfield

 

Interesting that the article quoted on the wikipedia pages say he introduced the limited tackle law. Isn't that something that RL fans see as a good thing?


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Posted 17 May 2013 - 11:02 AM

covered extensively in the writings of Tony Collins

 

I must get round to reading more of his stuff.  I don't suppose you could tap out a very brief précis could you Frank?

 

 

Interesting that the article quoted on the wikipedia pages say he introduced the limited tackle law. Isn't that something that RL fans see as a good thing?

 

One swallow and all that I'd guess.  I don't mind a drop of Fanta from time to time etc.



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Posted 17 May 2013 - 11:11 AM

I must get round to reading more of his stuff.  I don't suppose you could tap out a very brief précis could you Frank?

 

 

 

One swallow and all that I'd guess.  I don't mind a drop of Fanta from time to time etc.

 

 

Interesting that the article quoted on the wikipedia pages say he introduced the limited tackle law. Isn't that something that RL fans see as a good thing?

will do

 

Fallowfield didn't introduce it although it was done on his prolongued watch.

 

Limited tackles were introduced in Australia after St George had pretty much sewn up unlimited tackle rugby tactically season upon season.


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