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#21 rooster2003

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Posted 13 May 2013 - 07:23 PM

Thats really good news . If the same event can be aranged every fourtnight with the same money raised throughout the year then the club wll raise the cash it needs to survive

 

If its not bad enough already with posting this, you cant even spell fortnight



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Posted 13 May 2013 - 08:15 PM

Thinking of the poker night and could it not be organised that all the pubs in the area(Barrow Dalton and Ulverston) are invited to hold a poker night then the 2 top players from each pub goes on to a finals night in the raiders bar where the winner gets the £100 prize. If there was enough players maybe 2 semi final nights leading to a final night, all 3 to be held in the raiders bar.

 

Entry could be £10 with the winner from each pub getting £20 and runner up £10, pubs could be asked to sell a raffle or a football card and all money raised (entry fee and raffle/football card minus £30 for 1st and 2nd) pooled together and the final £100 deducted should give a nice sum that could go towards the floodlight fund.

If qualifying nights were held on different nights losing players could try their luck again at a different venue upping the total fund. 

 

It's only an idea that can be added to but personally I would keep the entry fee at about a £10 so more people could be interested.

bloody hell paul...i only wanted a game of poker and you have to spoil it with fundraising...lol

you could have buy-ins at a fiver to raise more and a finals night at the club. like has been said its £100 prize per night so I would suggest 60% of the night in prize money to a max of £100 the rest to the floodlight fund so if you win and there have been 3 rounds (nights) its possible you could win £300. I would also have as many final tables as you can. more entrants more beer sales.. ;)  ;)


Edited by soss, 13 May 2013 - 08:17 PM.

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Posted 13 May 2013 - 08:20 PM

I can assure all that read my post that it certainly was not meant to be sarcastic it was merely pointing out the massive task that remains. As for anyone thinking that I am negative over the future of the club then you are certainly wrong. I am proud that I have rolled my sleeves up on 4 occasions since the start of 2011 to ensure the survival of the club. I have also invested hundreds of hours and thousands of pounds to see the Barrow Rugby have a chance to continue.  I have had many bad comments from many fans and supporters over the pat 2 seasons which would have turned many others away from assisting further.

I remain proud of what I accomplished and the BoD all know exactly how much time and effort I put in on the 2 occasions when the club faced certain closure.  Meetings with creditors debtors, accountants, solicitors and many meetings with the RFL provided the pathway forward.  I left my position last year as Chief Financial Officer due to the majority of Board members that blew hot air yet never came up with the goods. Those Board members that remain on the board that have stepped up and started raising the required money for the future of the club deserve a medal.

 

I stand by my post , every member and supporter that attended the meeting in 2011 heard Alan Stoker announce that the club needed to Raise (not borrow) £100,000.00 for its long term survival. Unfortunately the realism for floodlights and not only staying up in championship for next season but financially being stable is far off.  I would love to see the club fighting its way up the league table in championship without spending money it can ill afford but IMO the club needs to step back and rid the remaining debt before moving forward.

 

Good luck to the Directors for Friday. And as a couple of them already know should they need my help then I would not turn them down.


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Posted 13 May 2013 - 08:24 PM

must admit i didnt think it sarcastic..but you have to understand that people are not privvy to the knowledge that ex board members have and statements can be taken the wrong way without the general public having the facts.


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#25 soss

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Posted 13 May 2013 - 09:31 PM

anyway back to the poker....a plan is needed and someone needs to get a league going.. :)  :)


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#26 livo

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Posted 14 May 2013 - 02:02 AM

Sounds really good. It would have to be organised properly though. Maybe we could get a league set up for next year. In the short term could we not have a game once a month for the next three months. Do it on a points systems. For the first 2 months the players who finish top get the most points and work your way down. Each person puts in £10, and have £5 buy-ins. The people with the most points go to the final table in the last month. Also the people with no points still get a chance on the final table if they pay, lets say a £20 to buy in. There will be prize money for the pre-lim rounds and also prize money for the final. Anything what is left goes to the floodlight fund. So really you could win upto 3 times and have the prestigous title of The Raiders Bar Poker Champ 2013. Just an idea.

bloody hell paul...i only wanted a game of poker and you have to spoil it with fundraising...lol

you could have buy-ins at a fiver to raise more and a finals night at the club. like has been said its £100 prize per night so I would suggest 60% of the night in prize money to a max of £100 the rest to the floodlight fund so if you win and there have been 3 rounds (nights) its possible you could win £300. I would also have as many final tables as you can. more entrants more beer sales.. ;)  ;)


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#27 D11

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Posted 14 May 2013 - 02:46 AM

Gary, i do not know much about poker or any gambling games so I could not say if there is enough people out there that would turn up regular enough. The club has announced a Financial Crisis which needs serious amounts of cash in now. This current position was for seen 12 months ago and without the £100k needed it will happen again this time next year, that is if the club makes it till then.

 

Maybe it would be an idea to have one post on here for Ideas to raise cash for the club right now. The Directors have stated that the meeting this Friday will be an open meeting and I am sure that the Financial Director will state the same as I am now.  Until the crisis is resolved the floodlights and the possibility of staying up in Championship needs to be put on the back-burner.

 

The fairly obvious answer to the cash crisis would be to re-mortgage the ground but as I have already mentioned to board members this would take time and again is further borrowing which the club has tried to keep clear off.

 

Putting the flood light fund back into the clubs coffers will be discussed for certain as floodlights will not be required if the club goes bang. 

 

Was the casino night arranged for the club funds or the floodlight appeal ? 


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Posted 14 May 2013 - 08:03 AM

I can assure all that read my post that it certainly was not meant to be sarcastic it was merely pointing out the massive task that remains. As for anyone thinking that I am negative over the future of the club then you are certainly wrong. I am proud that I have rolled my sleeves up on 4 occasions since the start of 2011 to ensure the survival of the club. I have also invested hundreds of hours and thousands of pounds to see the Barrow Rugby have a chance to continue.  I have had many bad comments from many fans and supporters over the pat 2 seasons which would have turned many others away from assisting further.
I remain proud of what I accomplished and the BoD all know
exactly how much time and effort I put in on the 2 occasions when the club faced certain closure.  Meetings with creditors debtors, accountants, solicitors and many meetings with the RFL provided the pathway forward.  I left my position last year as Chief Financial Officer due to the majority of Board members that blew hot air yet never came up with the goods. Those Board members that remain on the board that have stepped up and started raising the required money for the future of the club deserve a medal.
 
I stand by my post , every member and supporter that attended the meeting in 2011 heard Alan Stoker announce that the club needed to Raise (not borrow) £100,000.00 for its long term survival. Unfortunately the realism for floodlights and not only staying up in championship for next season but financially being stable is far off.  I would love to see the club fighting its way up the league table in championship without spending money it can ill afford but IMO the club needs to step back and rid the remaining debt before moving forward.
 
Good luck to the Directors for Friday. And as a couple of them already know should they need my help then I would not turn them down.


I think everyone is more than aware of the task ahead. If this money is to be raised it will be in done, taking into account the board as it stands at the moment, In small denominations. There is not anyone out there to give the club £100k ( yet) and the club should not borrow in its current state.

I do not doubt the hours you put in between last September to when you resigned, I may be wrong but as far as I am aware there is no record in the club of thousands of pounds that you claim to have donated? Maybe you could clarify?

As far as bad feedback, I think every board member has to deal with that ( some more than others) but it is important to remember that negativity breads negativity.

Having to to step in and help the club in crisis is far from new, and a lot of feeling from supporters stems from this. The club was living from hour to hour on numerous occasions and many good men stepped up then to do exactly the same as you have done also.

With reference to 'board members blowing hot air' can you clarify which board you refer to? I know for instance that recently left board members did a lot of hard work for the club and were also concerned over the current fundraising situation.

Unfortunately, until this fundraising situation is sorted at the club, borrowing and loaning seems to still be one of the only options just as it has been in the past. Would you agree? Obviously it is a last resort but I feel that some of the current loans could be better managed and structured to allow some fluency in this situation.

As I've previously said, there needs to be a fundraiser/promoter at the club with experience. Without this as in the past we will just keep surviving day-to-day.

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Posted 14 May 2013 - 08:29 AM

Can you start a new thread for this as this was a happy thread about me getting out to the pub and playing poker... :)

 

I know well the situation we are in and every little will help; as for donations (my final thought) I would consider Neil as one of the larger denefactors of the club in recent years if not the biggest. Im sure atp if you have access to the accounts (not yet published) then you would see the work and sponsorship given by all patrons and probably wouldnt have asked the question. Heyho though onwards and upwards.... :D  :D


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#30 livo

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Posted 14 May 2013 - 08:48 AM

I should imagine the meeting on Friday will get answers for a lot of people. Neil, what gets me and I suppose others aswell. You seem to know what the club owes and the way forward. Whats stopping you fundraising for the club off your own back. You don't need to ask the BoD for permission. We are all grateful for what you have done in the past but stop being so negative. Be positive. Surely thats the only way forward. If I'm right the meeting on Friday is about short term funds. The long term future of the club in looking good. Maybe you and Mke could stump up the money seen as your both loaded. Maybe a small loan at a reasonable interest rate. Surely its better than what the banks are offering at the moment. Just an idea thats all.

 

Anyway back to poker. What do you think Mike and Paul about what I posted before.


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#31 soss

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Posted 14 May 2013 - 08:58 AM

im up for it but might not be able to afford it now... :lol:  :lol: :lol:  


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Posted 14 May 2013 - 10:07 AM

I think everyone is more than aware of the task ahead. If this money is to be raised it will be in done, taking into account the board as it stands at the moment, In small denominations. There is not anyone out there to give the club £100k ( yet) and the club should not borrow in its current state.

I do not doubt the hours you put in between last September to when you resigned, I may be wrong but as far as I am aware there is no record in the club of thousands of pounds that you claim to have donated? Maybe you could clarify?

As far as bad feedback, I think every board member has to deal with that ( some more than others) but it is important to remember that negativity breads negativity.

Having to to step in and help the club in crisis is far from new, and a lot of feeling from supporters stems from this. The club was living from hour to hour on numerous occasions and many good men stepped up then to do exactly the same as you have done also.

With reference to 'board members blowing hot air' can you clarify which board you refer to? I know for instance that recently left board members did a lot of hard work for the club and were also concerned over the current fundraising situation.

Unfortunately, until this fundraising situation is sorted at the club, borrowing and loaning seems to still be one of the only options just as it has been in the past. Would you agree? Obviously it is a last resort but I feel that some of the current loans could be better managed and structured to allow some fluency in this situation.

As I've previously said, there needs to be a fundraiser/promoter at the club with experience. Without this as in the past we will just keep surviving day-to-day.

 

Atp  The money was to be raised 18 months ago and unless the casino night money is part of the £100k to be raised then I think there is very little done so far. 

I paid for 50 percent of the cost of the clive street wall replacement works.

I am uncertain as to which current loans you refer to as "Could be better managed and structured" as I know of only 1 which is as i am aware being repaid in a well structured manner but the details of which would come from the board only if they so wished to bring it to light.

 

It is not for me to name and shame the board members as all concerned know who rolled there sleeves up and who wore a badge.

 

I fully agree with you 100 percent that a fundraiser/promoter is urgently required and every possible avenue should be followed.

 

Some question how I have so much knowledge of what has happened and what goes on behind the scenes, I created the buisness plan which the current board have stated they still follow and creted the repayment structure for all of the debts that the club found itself with since September 2011.

 

Unfortunatly this is why I have great difficulty in switching off from the position the club finds itself in.


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Posted 14 May 2013 - 10:09 AM

fantastic effort to those involved in the casino nite and i hope u keep going with the fundraising  livo, i have a shirt at home for the bar, quite a rare one i will get it down to you sometime soon!

 

ive been looking on from the outside in and the questions i would ask at the meeting are, when did the fixtures come out? surely they would have seen this gap and should have addressed what they knew was going to be a problem months ago instead of waiting till now?

 

As im probably not on my own here in saying this but i havent contributed to the floodlight fund bar a few raffle tickets, as for some reason at the back of my mind i always had a feeling it would be used for something else, do you think this could also be putting alot of other people off?

 

also, is a move away from CP totally out of the question?

 

i cant make the meeting friday but would be happy if someone could ask these questions on my behalf or keith, if you still come on here could you answer??


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Posted 14 May 2013 - 11:38 AM

Unfortunately I cannot make the meeting on friday :(

 

Thats a very valid question re the fixture 'hole' for May there Beachy ... deffo needs asking by someone at the meeting ???

 

I have contributed cash to the floodlight fund and if the money needs to be temporarily diverted for more pressing needs (ie the immediate future) then I have no problem with that as long as theres a mechanism for paying it back when the 'cash flow problem' is resolved !

 

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Posted 14 May 2013 - 11:53 AM

good shout that lee, i just hope the floodlight fund is the last resort



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Posted 14 May 2013 - 08:18 PM

I should imagine the meeting on Friday will get answers for a lot of people. Neil, what gets me and I suppose others aswell. You seem to know what the club owes and the way forward. Whats stopping you fundraising for the club off your own back. You don't need to ask the BoD for permission. We are all grateful for what you have done in the past but stop being so negative. Be positive. Surely thats the only way forward. If I'm right the meeting on Friday is about short term funds. The long term future of the club in looking good. Maybe you and Mke could stump up the money seen as your both loaded. Maybe a small loan at a reasonable interest rate. Surely its better than what the banks are offering at the moment. Just an idea thats all.

 

Anyway back to poker. What do you think Mike and Paul about what I posted before.

Gaz, I don't think a league structure would have any real benefits as people could see it as repetitive whereas A quick short competition every few months might keep people more interested. 



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Posted 16 May 2013 - 11:10 PM

cheers beachy. just bring it next home game mate

fantastic effort to those involved in the casino nite and i hope u keep going with the fundraising  livo, i have a shirt at home for the bar, quite a rare one i will get it down to you sometime soon!

 

ive been looking on from the outside in and the questions i would ask at the meeting are, when did the fixtures come out? surely they would have seen this gap and should have addressed what they knew was going to be a problem months ago instead of waiting till now?

 

As im probably not on my own here in saying this but i havent contributed to the floodlight fund bar a few raffle tickets, as for some reason at the back of my mind i always had a feeling it would be used for something else, do you think this could also be putting alot of other people off?

 

also, is a move away from CP totally out of the question?

 

i cant make the meeting friday but would be happy if someone could ask these questions on my behalf or keith, if you still come on here could you answer??


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