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How Danny Brough is not the starting England scrum half is beyond me


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#21 deluded pom?

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Posted 11 May 2013 - 05:40 PM

The rules governing international rugby league are a bit of a joke, but why is Danny Brough the only person who seems to get hammered for it?
He's from England, he wants to play for England and many people ( including myself) believe he's the best English player in his position. Pick him!

He's pilloried more than most because he changes his mind more often than most.

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#22 thirteenthman

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Posted 11 May 2013 - 06:06 PM

The rules governing international rugby league are a bit of a joke, but why is Danny Brough the only person who seems to get hammered for it?

He's from England, he wants to play for England and many people ( including myself) believe he's the best English player in his position. Pick him!

 

I wouldn't doubt he wants to play for England, but it appears that if he doesn't get to play for England he'll go back and play for Scotland, just so he can play in the World Cup.

 

Having said that, I've read interviews with players from the NRL who readily admit that they don't mind who they play for, so long as they get 'a trip to the World Cup'. The problem is that we could potentially have a very small World Cup, or an incredibly lop sided tournament, if the rules weren't as loose as they are now.



#23 OMEGA

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Posted 11 May 2013 - 07:01 PM

That is a good point, but I think the answer is down to frequency of said "off-days". Sinfield had one today, Brough didn't. Over the course of a season (or maybe a World Cup campaign), those statistics would likely be reversed.


Those statistics don't exist, unless you can prove me wrong

So do we ignore today when Sinfield was totally dominated (for the 2nd time this year) by the guy who popular opinion is his biggest rival for that role in the England team. Do we totally ignore the 30+ ineffectual internationals that Sinfields played?

There hasn't been a player yet that doesn't have a quiet game and don't throw the "Brough goes missing in big games" fallacy at the argument.

People need to stop making excuses and scraping the barrel for reasons to shoe horn Sinfield into the England side, he isn't and never was the answer to England's half back issue.

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Posted 11 May 2013 - 07:02 PM

Tony Carroll was the worst example of this in recent memory, 2000 World Cup final Played for New Zealand against Australia. 2003 Ashes tour played for Australia against Great Britain.

 

Chopping and changing betyween countries does bring the game into disrepute.


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Posted 11 May 2013 - 07:37 PM

Brough chose scotland and should not be allowed to pick and chose.he has a good kicking game but hes not a world class half back

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Posted 11 May 2013 - 07:50 PM

Brough's kicking game (relative to other England qualified half backs) is anywhere between average and brilliant.
Most England half backs kicking games are average - and thats the difference McNamara can't see. Too often we are on the back foot internationally due to our kicking game.
Sinfield is probably 2nd best but not as good as Brough, and a fair way off Brough as far as long-range kicking goes. And in internationals when you have backs to the wall, the long-range kicking game is key.
Mylers kicking game is non-existent, he's an Edwards-type support player. Depends what England need as a team.
Seems like Brough and Widdop to me, but Sinfield is the designated captain.........

#27 chuffer

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Posted 11 May 2013 - 07:50 PM

Brough chose scotland and should not be allowed to pick and chose.he has a good kicking game but hes not a world class half back


I suspect he previously chose scotland just to get an international game knowing full well he wasn't likely to be england's first choice.

It's great seeing Danny's career peak and trough.....it was only a few yrs ago he was tearing widnes apart in the championship playing for cas.....now here he is playing in a top 4 side, battering world club champions and a serious contender for the england shirt.....

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Posted 11 May 2013 - 09:04 PM

The real issue here is that McNamara has backed himself into a corner by naming Sinfield as captain a year out from the tournament.

He now faced with the prospect either of an embarrassing climb down or potentially disadvantaging his team.

I am a big KS fan but I don't think he offers anything that will trouble Australia/NZ.

#29 tonyXIII

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Posted 11 May 2013 - 09:12 PM

Those statistics don't exist, unless you can prove me wrong

So do we ignore today when Sinfield was totally dominated (for the 2nd time this year) by the guy who popular opinion is his biggest rival for that role in the England team. Do we totally ignore the 30+ ineffectual internationals that Sinfields played?

There hasn't been a player yet that doesn't have a quiet game and don't throw the "Brough goes missing in big games" fallacy at the argument.

People need to stop making excuses and scraping the barrel for reasons to shoe horn Sinfield into the England side, he isn't and never was the answer to England's half back issue.

 

Statistics was the wrong word. Okay. What I meant was that Brough is more likely to have an off day over a period of time. That was certainly what the Hudds fans on this forum suggested when I pointed out that he'd been anonymous in Salford's victory over Huddersfield at Barton a couple of months ago. If you ask around, I believe you'll find the concensus is that Brough does have off days.

 

Sinfield's international form is a conundrum. He has never seemed to scale the heights of his club form in an England/GB shirt. Could it be that he is almost always played out of position? (I know that he mostly plays stand off for Leeds these days, but his 'best position' is a contentious issue among RL followers.)

 

Finally, I do think McNamara has an agenda (every coach does) and it does seem that Brough is not on that agenda. Personally, I would like to see us play the best player in each position, but the old-fashioned concept of positions is difficult to transfer to the modern game. The game is very fluid and we now expect forwards to show the skills off backs and backs to mix it with the forwards at times. We seem to be heading towards a game of generalists rather than specialists in certain positions.


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#30 tonyXIII

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Posted 11 May 2013 - 09:15 PM

The real issue here is that McNamara has backed himself into a corner by naming Sinfield as captain a year out from the tournament.

He now faced with the prospect either of an embarrassing climb down or potentially disadvantaging his team.

I am a big KS fan but I don't think he offers anything that will trouble Australia/NZ.

 

I believe KS is a fantastic SL player, but I totally agree with that sentiment.


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Posted 11 May 2013 - 11:13 PM

I believe KS is a fantastic SL player, but I totally agree with that sentiment.


I also agree. Despite Broughs apparent off days, if its an 'on' day he'll cause real issues for them. Sinfield won't. So it's worth the gamble.
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#32 Emosi Koloto

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Posted 12 May 2013 - 02:53 AM

What is also beyond me is how does Brett Ferres miss out on the squad yet Jamie Jones-Buchanen gets in, JJB is a good honest player but you could see the touches of class from Ferres in that Cup game.


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#33 Just Browny

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Posted 12 May 2013 - 07:27 AM

Mylers kicking game is non-existent, he's an Edwards-type support player.


I can only assume you last watched Myler play in about 2010.

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Posted 12 May 2013 - 08:07 AM

Mcnamara chose his half back chase n sinfield ages ago n he is sticking buy them (right or wrong) seems hes trying to build an understanding between the two like thurston n lockyer had rather than just picking the 2halfs that are in form that month.
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#35 The Big Gun

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Posted 12 May 2013 - 08:21 AM


Mcnamara chose his half back chase n sinfield ages ago n he is sticking buy them (right or wrong) seems hes trying to build an understanding between the two like thurston n lockyer had rather than just picking the 2halfs that are in form that month.


Unfortunately, however good an understanding Chase and Sinfield build they're never going to be Thurston and Lockyer. I really think it was a very foolish decision to make Sinfield the captain.

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Posted 12 May 2013 - 09:10 AM

                 It would be interesting to have a poll of S/L coaches to choose Englands halfback combination. Don`t think many would prefer Chase/Sinfield.



#37 Pottsy

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Posted 12 May 2013 - 09:16 AM

It would be interesting to have a poll of S/L coaches to choose Englands halfback combination. Don`t think many would prefer Chase/Sinfield.


It would be VERY interesting. I hope Martyn and Gareth are reading!

#38 Larry the Leit

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Posted 12 May 2013 - 09:22 AM

A man that has been a multiple clubs and has had trouble at all of them, and who is possibly the most easily wound up person in rugby league, one who pretty much no self control and constantly bleats at officials, no thanks.

 

Allied to the fact that he's played for Scotland.



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Posted 12 May 2013 - 09:33 AM

A man that has been a multiple clubs and has had trouble at all of them, and who is possibly the most easily wound up person in rugby league, one who pretty much no self control and constantly bleats at officials, no thanks.

Allied to the fact that he's played for Scotland.

Thought you were talking about Chase then until the last word. Replace that with the Exiles or NZ Maori and you'd have the same!

Playing for Scotland should not and will not affect Brough at all so I wish people would stop bringing that one up.
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Posted 12 May 2013 - 09:33 AM

The real issue here is that McNamara has backed himself into a corner by naming Sinfield as captain a year out from the tournament.
 

 

This is spot on.  Sinfield was awful yesterday in the cup game.  Added to that I hate the way they're using Eorl Crabtree in the PR and adverts etc., thus also guaranteeing his place in the cut down squad.  His ability and impact in games is hardly on a par with that of any of the Burgess brothers.






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