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#21 Just Browny

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Posted 13 May 2013 - 05:52 PM

I don't always agree with Smith's general thoughts on the game, but to dismiss them as moaning is to ignore (in true pig-headed RL fan style) the clarity of the arguments expressed here.

I would agree with those that say a head coach isn't the only stakeholder, but it certainly is one and requires consideration. Moreover, I often dismiss certain 'club views' as they are generally founded in self-interest and self-preservation, be it financial or whatever. I don't think you can say that's the case here, it's about youth development and the stability of the game.

Edited by Just Browny, 13 May 2013 - 05:55 PM.

I can confirm 30+ less sales for Scotland vs Italy at Workington, after this afternoons test purchase for the Tonga match, £7.50 is extremely reasonable, however a £2.50 'delivery' fee for a walk in purchase is beyond taking the mickey, good luck with that, it's cheaper on the telly.


#22 Kenilworth Tiger

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Posted 13 May 2013 - 06:45 PM

Axe Cas and HKR, as they have the most well-documented financial problems,

I thinkn Wakefield, Bradford and Salford have much more well-documented financial issue.

Don't be a bandwagoner
Now then, it's a race between Sandie....and Fairburn....and the little man is in........yeees he's in.

I, just like those Castleford supporters felt that the ball should have gone to David Plange but he put the bit betwen his teeth...and it was a try

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#23 Ponterover

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Posted 13 May 2013 - 06:53 PM

I thinkn Wakefield, Bradford and Salford have much more well-documented financial issue.

Don't be a bandwagoner

 

 

What do Cas fans think of the new proposals?  I've had a look around Casforum to try and see what the consensus is, but the subject has hardly registered.



#24 Kenilworth Tiger

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Posted 13 May 2013 - 06:57 PM

What do Cas fans think of the new proposals?  I've had a look around Casforum to try and see what the consensus is, but the subject has hardly registered.

I don't know all of them so can't comment- personally I don't care too much to be honest
Now then, it's a race between Sandie....and Fairburn....and the little man is in........yeees he's in.

I, just like those Castleford supporters felt that the ball should have gone to David Plange but he put the bit betwen his teeth...and it was a try

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#25 Lobbygobbler

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Posted 13 May 2013 - 07:24 PM

Tony Smith is the only person publicly speaking sense on this issue. P&R can't return. It is a relic of the past that will destroy the development of players in this country, as well as make a weaker league where the gap between big and small clubs (which has narrowed dramatically since licensing came in) grow wider.

Yes, certain posters on here, who have self-interest in their own tin-pot championship clubs want to see P&R return, but at what cost? It will set the game back 20 years here. It will destroy any chance England have of ever catching Australia. But that's ok, cos Leigh and Fev will get a chance to be in SL for a season every few years, and put out squads with 12 b-grade Aussies each and get tonked by 50 points each week. Self interest>progress of the game hey.

If SL must make changes for sustainability, then reduce to 12 teams. Axe Cas and HKR, as they have the most well-documented financial problems, and ultimately, SL is already represented by other clubs in their areas.

But whatever happens, don't bring back P&R. It would be a disaster


Another Aussie with crazy views which would kill RL in every town apart from the twelve already there. What you forget is that we dont have twelve big clubs and the fans of the others will never watch their poxy rivals who are no bigger really. Theyll just watch soccer

#26 Dave T

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Posted 13 May 2013 - 07:27 PM

Another Aussie with crazy views which would kill RL in every town apart from the twelve already there. What you forget is that we dont have twelve big clubs and the fans of the others will never watch their poxy rivals who are no bigger really. Theyll just watch soccer

are you always so closed minded based on where a person was born?
Isnt there a word for that kind of thing?

#27 Lobbygobbler

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Posted 13 May 2013 - 09:27 PM

are you always so closed minded based on where a person was born?
Isnt there a word for that kind of thing?

Eh? I have no idea where either of them was born but most Aussies (not all mind) dont seem to have much of a clue about how British sporting tradition works

Edited by Lobbygobbler, 13 May 2013 - 09:27 PM.


#28 kioli

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Posted 14 May 2013 - 01:05 AM

Another Aussie with crazy views which would kill RL in every town apart from the twelve already there. What you forget is that we dont have twelve big clubs and the fans of the others will never watch their poxy rivals who are no bigger really. Theyll just watch soccer

 

What is crazy about his post? And please try to keep the hyperbole in check...



#29 Lobbygobbler

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Posted 14 May 2013 - 05:06 AM

What is crazy about his post? And please try to keep the hyperbole in check...


It's crazy because closing the drawbridge forever to SL will kill off all clubs outside SL (inc. mine). It will slowly kill off the amateur game also in those places, thus reducing the number of players coming through. It will also mean many RL fans will be lost forever (inc. me) and cancel their sky subscriptions. It will also stifle expansion for potentially new ambitious clubs

Soccer's main asset is its sheer number of ambitious clubs. We should aim to follow a similar path and the only way to do this is in the UK to have a healthy P&R system.

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Posted 14 May 2013 - 06:24 AM

It's crazy because closing the drawbridge forever to SL will kill off all clubs outside SL (inc. mine). It will slowly kill off the amateur game also in those places, thus reducing the number of players coming through. It will also mean many RL fans will be lost forever (inc. me) and cancel their sky subscriptions. It will also stifle expansion for potentially new ambitious clubs
Soccer's main asset is its sheer number of ambitious clubs. We should aim to follow a similar path and the only way to do this is in the UK to have a healthy P&R system.

If you are right ( and I'm not saying your not) about the fans not being prepared to travel to another town to support a successful team,then that is different to the soccer model.
In soccer the big clubs have as many out of own supporters as residents. You see Leeds United, Liverpool and Man U shirts in every town across the land.
So, what does that say about our game itself? We claim its the TGG. We wonder why other people don't see that it's a much better game than soccer and miles better than rugby union ( I see more Leicester Tigers shirts in Coventry than I do Coventry RFC shirts, so in union fans will travel to watch a winning team)
If our game is that good why don't people flock to see the big teams?
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#31 kioli

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Posted 14 May 2013 - 01:16 PM

It's crazy because closing the drawbridge forever to SL will kill off all clubs outside SL (inc. mine). It will slowly kill off the amateur game also in those places, thus reducing the number of players coming through. It will also mean many RL fans will be lost forever (inc. me) and cancel their sky subscriptions. It will also stifle expansion for potentially new ambitious clubs

Soccer's main asset is its sheer number of ambitious clubs. We should aim to follow a similar path and the only way to do this is in the UK to have a healthy P&R system.


British RL is in no way comparable to British soccer though, and you're making a lot of hyperbolic predictions...

#32 l'angelo mysterioso

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Posted 14 May 2013 - 01:22 PM

Eh? I have no idea where either of them was born but most Aussies (not all mind) dont seem to have much of a clue about how British sporting tradition works

 

 

Eh? I have no idea where either of them was born but most Aussies (not all mind) dont seem to have much of a clue about how British sporting tradition works

which traditionn is that?


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#33 Steve May

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Posted 14 May 2013 - 03:06 PM

It will also mean many RL fans will be lost forever (inc. me)

 

You've been threatening that for as long as I've known you...

 

I recall you telling me once that you were going to walk away from RL because they'd never allow Leigh into Superleague.  That must have been getting on for ten years back now.  


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#34 Lobbygobbler

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Posted 14 May 2013 - 03:09 PM

If you are right ( and I'm not saying your not) about the fans not being prepared to travel to another town to support a successful team,then that is different to the soccer model.
In soccer the big clubs have as many out of own supporters as residents. You see Leeds United, Liverpool and Man U shirts in every town across the land.
So, what does that say about our game itself? We claim its the TGG. We wonder why other people don't see that it's a much better game than soccer and miles better than rugby union ( I see more Leicester Tigers shirts in Coventry than I do Coventry RFC shirts, so in union fans will travel to watch a winning team)
If our game is that good why don't people flock to see the big teams?
Perhaps we are deluding ourselves


There are lots of out of town United fans - but they have always been fans of that club. Its almost unheard of in football for fans to turncoat

#35 Dave T

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Posted 14 May 2013 - 04:05 PM

which traditionn is that?

the British one. Keep things British! 

 

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Posted 14 May 2013 - 04:06 PM

There are lots of out of town United fans - but they have always been fans of that club. Its almost unheard of in football for fans to turncoat

What are you banging on about? How the hell do you know that?

 

I know a few people who have different clubs that they support. I know a person who used to support Rangers and now supports Celtic (an extreme example to be fair!) - I know a Spurs fan who is now a Man U fan and so on.



#37 The Parksider

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Posted 14 May 2013 - 04:12 PM

If you are right ( and I'm not saying your not) about the fans not being prepared to travel to another town to support a successful team,then that is different to the soccer model.
In soccer the big clubs have as many out of own supporters as residents. You see Leeds United, Liverpool and Man U shirts in every town across the land.

He's not right because I meet RL fans who simply do what soccer fans do. Choose whichever club they want to watch and change clubs when it suits.

Others on here have also contributed their experiences of how fans will pick, choose and travel from all over to watch clubs, especially the top clubs.

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Posted 14 May 2013 - 04:25 PM

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Posted 14 May 2013 - 04:49 PM

Eh? I have no idea where either of them was born but most Aussies (not all mind) dont seem to have much of a clue about how British sporting tradition works

Do you mean the long tradition in RL of not having P&R.



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#40 Lobbygobbler

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Posted 14 May 2013 - 05:12 PM


Do you mean the long tradition in RL of not having P&R.


We had P&R for most of the last 40 years. Before then everyone had a crack at each other. Are you saying we should go back to one division?

Edited by Lobbygobbler, 14 May 2013 - 05:12 PM.





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