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#21 hindle xiii

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Posted 13 May 2013 - 01:20 PM

It's all about money, we'd be fine if we weren't 8 or 9 millionaires short(bread)...

 

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#22 The Future is League

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Posted 13 May 2013 - 01:22 PM

TBH I don't understand your system.


So if no team goes into administration, the SL just keeps growing? Or does a new team just get added each year?

NO. A team only gets promoted from the championship, if a super league club go's into administration and is relegated.



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Posted 13 May 2013 - 01:23 PM

It is also too easy for people to say things like 'our game is undersold'.

 

We hear this a lot. We have had some pretty well qualified people in charge of the governing body and individual clubs. What have they done about it? Maybe it isn't actually that easy.

 

Maybe they are trying to do this by making games as intense as possible by getting teams into tiers that suit their level.

 

They will have a few key points of the season to market and get the media interested:

 

1 - The cut after 11 rounds. There will be games in that 11th round which will probably determine whether a club plays in the 1st or 2nd tier, or 2nd or 3rd tier. If this was done at Magic Weekend, we could see a much bigger crowd at an event which is always one of the bigger events of the year. This could be brilliant sporting drama in front of massive crowds.

 

2 - The end of the regular season.

 a ) Tier 1 will see the battle for the playoff spots - top teams playing top teams. Great stuff and surely where the focus should be?

 B) Tier 2 will see teams clamouring for that top 4 which will see them make it into SL1 for the next season (and I assume the playoffs)

 

3 - The playoffs and Grand Final series. Where the champions are decided.

 

So based on the above, I suspect they will have an easier job selling those games.

 

We hear everybody banging on about meaningless games in the regular season, this solution goes a long way to addressing that.

 

I do agree that strong leadership is needed and get the challenges around allowing clubs to rule the game, but I don;t think the proposal is a bad one at all.



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Posted 13 May 2013 - 01:32 PM

Just a randon thought, and probably verging on gimmick...

 

But it was outlined on the BBC graphic that the top-8 after the split would have their points carried over, somewhat obviously, however, what about if the bottom 4 of SL1 and the top 4 of Championship, in this second tier 8 had their points carried over too...? This would then put the 4 Championship clubs ahead and the Super League clubs would be playing catch up almost on a handicap basis.

 

It's probably a crock of ship but at least this is the place for it!!


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#25 hindle xiii

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Posted 13 May 2013 - 01:36 PM

... i.e. purely hypothetical say the bottom four in Super League are London 9, Hull KR 8, Castleford 8, Salford 6. And the top of Championship are Halifax 20, Featherstone 16, Sheffield 16, Leigh 15. The full-time clubs then have ground to make up instead of simply running away on an even keel, but also would add spice to try harder in the first 11 games...


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#26 MattSantos

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Posted 13 May 2013 - 01:38 PM

I think I've just about had enough of Rugby League now. I used to like the idea that we were often an innovative sport that had other sports following our example, but the powers that be seem to revel in that and now just impose changes to the laws and systems for the sake of it. I gave up on Super league around the third season in when I realised that it was more about money than sport, and that they play by a different set of laws to the rest of Rugby League, but now that the Super league clubs are ruining the championships as well with this dual registration nonsense I am seriously considering just sticking to my amateur game on Saturdays and saving my money on Sundays.

 


This.



#27 Keith T

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Posted 13 May 2013 - 01:44 PM

It is also too easy for people to say things like 'our game is undersold'.

 

We hear this a lot. We have had some pretty well qualified people in charge of the governing body and individual clubs. What have they done about it? Maybe it isn't actually that easy.

 

Maybe they are trying to do this by making games as intense as possible by getting teams into tiers that suit their level.

 

They will have a few key points of the season to market and get the media interested:

 

1 - The cut after 11 rounds. There will be games in that 11th round which will probably determine whether a club plays in the 1st or 2nd tier, or 2nd or 3rd tier. If this was done at Magic Weekend, we could see a much bigger crowd at an event which is always one of the bigger events of the year. This could be brilliant sporting drama in front of massive crowds.

 

2 - The end of the regular season.

 a ) Tier 1 will see the battle for the playoff spots - top teams playing top teams. Great stuff and surely where the focus should be?

  B) Tier 2 will see teams clamouring for that top 4 which will see them make it into SL1 for the next season (and I assume the playoffs)

 

3 - The playoffs and Grand Final series. Where the champions are decided.

 

So based on the above, I suspect they will have an easier job selling those games.

 

We hear everybody banging on about meaningless games in the regular season, this solution goes a long way to addressing that.

 

I do agree that strong leadership is needed and get the challenges around allowing clubs to rule the game, but I don;t think the proposal is a bad one at all.

 

In your theoretic system at 1.  Will the 2nd tier also have a Magic weekend as well or are you just concerned with Tier 1?     What about the unfairness in the fixtures in that first 11 games, where one team could be away to the top teams and another playing them at their own ground?

 

At the end of the regular season it is suggested that there will be playoffs for each of the 8 team groups, but what are they playing -off for?    If the top 4 from Tier 2 go in to the middle group of 8 with 4 teams from SL then they are playing to decide the four teams that play in the top Tier1 the next season but what is the third group of 8 playing-off for?     

 

Which teams will be the Championship Champions?    


I remember when .............................

"It is impossible not to feel a twinge of sympathy for Workington Town, the fall guys this season for the Super League's determination to retain it's European dimension, in the shape of Paris. While the French have had every assistance to survive, the importance of having a flagship in a heartland area like West Cumbria has been conveniently forgotten." - Dave Hadfield - Independent 25th August 1996.


#28 Keith T

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Posted 13 May 2013 - 01:46 PM

... i.e. purely hypothetical say the bottom four in Super League are London 9, Hull KR 8, Castleford 8, Salford 6. And the top of Championship are Halifax 20, Featherstone 16, Sheffield 16, Leigh 15. The full-time clubs then have ground to make up instead of simply running away on an even keel, but also would add spice to try harder in the first 11 games...

 

Teams in the middle group of 8 teams do not carry over their points from the first 11 games, only those in the 1st and 3rd group of 8 carry them forward.


I remember when .............................

"It is impossible not to feel a twinge of sympathy for Workington Town, the fall guys this season for the Super League's determination to retain it's European dimension, in the shape of Paris. While the French have had every assistance to survive, the importance of having a flagship in a heartland area like West Cumbria has been conveniently forgotten." - Dave Hadfield - Independent 25th August 1996.


#29 hindle xiii

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Posted 13 May 2013 - 01:50 PM

Teams in the middle group of 8 teams do not carry over their points from the first 11 games, only those in the 1st and 3rd group of 8 carry them forward.

Yes I know. I was suggesting they could do. Apologies if that didn't come across in the first half!


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#30 Dave T

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Posted 13 May 2013 - 02:02 PM

1 -In your theoretic system at 1.  Will the 2nd tier also have a Magic weekend as well or are you just concerned with Tier 1?     What about the unfairness in the fixtures in that first 11 games, where one team could be away to the top teams and another playing them at their own ground?

 

2 - At the end of the regular season it is suggested that there will be playoffs for each of the 8 team groups, but what are they playing -off for?    If the top 4 from Tier 2 go in to the middle group of 8 with 4 teams from SL then they are playing to decide the four teams that play in the top Tier1 the next season but what is the third group of 8 playing-off for?     

 

Which teams will be the Championship Champions?    

1 - It's not my theoretic system, it's what has been suggested and reported on. I'd prefer the split to come after the full home and away system with 10 teams in each division.

On the Magic Weekend question, suppose that's up to the clubs, there is none currently in the 2nd tier, it's up to them.

 

2 - They are playing for a trophy.

 

3 - They can call the divisions/tiers/conferences what they want - the name championship may not even be around.



#31 Keith T

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Posted 13 May 2013 - 02:10 PM

1 - It's not my theoretic system, it's what has been suggested and reported on. I'd prefer the split to come after the full home and away system with 10 teams in each division.

On the Magic Weekend question, suppose that's up to the clubs, there is none currently in the 2nd tier, it's up to them.

 

2 - They are playing for a trophy.

 

3 - They can call the divisions/tiers/conferences what they want - the name championship may not even be around.

 

1. Sorry, I thought this whole review and suggestions was for Rugby League not just Super League.    There isn't a Magic Weekend currently for the Championships because they currently have the NR Cup Final weekend and the Championship Grand Finals weekend.

 

2. This would seem to be a pointless trophy as they would be Champions of what exactly?

 

3.  There are still 10 - 14 teams outside the 24 teams in Tiers 1 and 2, currently known as Championship 1.    Are we just forgetting about them?


I remember when .............................

"It is impossible not to feel a twinge of sympathy for Workington Town, the fall guys this season for the Super League's determination to retain it's European dimension, in the shape of Paris. While the French have had every assistance to survive, the importance of having a flagship in a heartland area like West Cumbria has been conveniently forgotten." - Dave Hadfield - Independent 25th August 1996.


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Posted 13 May 2013 - 02:35 PM

So Martyn Sadler doesn't like the new proposals, from day one all we have had from this man is negativity, no one at LE has yet come up with anything specific, only that its a can of worms its a mess, the longest suicide note in sport etc, a lot of fans are now warming to the proposals, to quote the Warrington coach as a reason it should be scrapped is joke, if you have any specific problem lets hear them.

... i.e. purely hypothetical say the bottom four in Super League are London 9, Hull KR 8, Castleford 8, Salford 6. And the top of Championship are Halifax 20, Featherstone 16, Sheffield 16, Leigh 15. The full-time clubs then have ground to make up instead of simply running away on an even keel, but also would add spice to try harder in the first 11 games...

Don't forget the relegated bottom two sides at the end of the 2014 season, they will make up the bottom 12, surely they can keep a decent squad together, if so the middle 8 could contain 6 SL sides from 2014 season.

Edited by Doghead, 13 May 2013 - 02:50 PM.


#33 hindle xiii

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Posted 13 May 2013 - 02:37 PM

Don't forget the relegated bottom two sides at the end of the 2014 season, they will make up the bottom 12, surely they can keep a decent squad together, if so the middle 8 could contain 6 SL sides from 2014 season.

Oh I did yes, sorry about that.


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#34 Larry the Leit

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Posted 13 May 2013 - 02:44 PM

So Martyn Sadler doesn't like the new proposals, from day one all we have had from this man is negativity, no one at LE has yet come up with anything specific, only that its a can of worms its a mess, the longest suicide note in sport etc,Don't forget the relegated bottom two sides at the end of the 2014 season, they will make up the bottom 12, surely they can keep a decent squad together, if so the middle 8 could contain 6 SL sides from 2014 season.

 

I'm pleased that LE has expressed an editorial opinion.  Please take note LoveRugbyLeague.

 

I don't find Martyn Sadler negative, I think he's alright.  I don't like the way his organisation named Kevin Sinfield as the best player in the world to generate a bit of publicity, but that's publishing.



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Posted 13 May 2013 - 02:56 PM

I'm pleased that LE has expressed an editorial opinion.  Please take note LoveRugbyLeague.
 
I don't find Martyn Sadler negative, I think he's alright.  I don't like the way his organisation named Kevin Sinfield as the best player in the world to generate a bit of publicity, but that's publishing.

Taken from the editorial.

In fact we have had absolutely no positive response from any of our readers.


Come again Martyn.

#36 terrywebbisgod

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Posted 13 May 2013 - 02:58 PM

I prefer Ben and Jerry's Cookie Dough.


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#37 Keith T

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Posted 13 May 2013 - 02:58 PM

Taken from the editorial.

In fact we have had absolutely no positive response from any of our readers.


Come again Martyn.

 

 

So, how many from here have actually written a positive response to the RLE?


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Posted 13 May 2013 - 02:59 PM

Taken from the editorial.

In fact we have had absolutely no positive response from any of our readers.


Come again Martyn.

 

It's quite conceivable that there is nothing in the mailbag from any of their readership that is of a positive nature in relation to this nonsense proposal.  



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Posted 13 May 2013 - 03:04 PM

It's quite conceivable that there is nothing in the mailbag from any of their readership that is of a positive nature in relation to this nonsense proposal.

Off we go again "nonsence proposal" specifics please.

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Posted 13 May 2013 - 03:14 PM

Off we go again "nonsence proposal" specifics please.

 

I've been consistent on this one, admittedly elsewhere on the board.  I see this proposal as an opening gambit that will be rejected, to be replaced by something less silly, but silly enough to have been rejected if it had been put up first.

 

I think it will lead in time to the top clubs getting stronger and stronger, clubs from the bottom half of the superleague won't be able to budget properly because they can't predict their crowds, and they will be weakened by playing sides that are currently part time for over half the year.

 

What has absoultuey amazed me is the willingness of the supporters of clubs currently at the top of the second tier of professional rugby league to accept a proposal that will put them at the bottom of the second tier of professional rugby league.  It's not good for any club in the long run as supporters tire of repeat fixtures at the top, budgets are slashed and club go bust lower down, and below the top of the current championship is turned into a forgotten wasteland.


Edited by Larry the Leit, 13 May 2013 - 03:34 PM.





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