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#41 Larry the Leit

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Posted 13 May 2013 - 03:17 PM

I'm guessing that if there is Rocky Road at the RFL, then Nigel Wood will have eaten it by now, probably with a side order of a suckling pig*.

 

 

*apologies, but this is the third page of this thread and nobody has referred to the man's weight, which breaks all tradition.



#42 Dave T

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Posted 13 May 2013 - 04:43 PM

1. Sorry, I thought this whole review and suggestions was for Rugby League not just Super League.    There isn't a Magic Weekend currently for the Championships because they currently have the NR Cup Final weekend and the Championship Grand Finals weekend.

 

2. This would seem to be a pointless trophy as they would be Champions of what exactly?

 

3.  There are still 10 - 14 teams outside the 24 teams in Tiers 1 and 2, currently known as Championship 1.    Are we just forgetting about them?

What are you mithering me for? I was just commenting on the specific things that have been called out. I don't care whether we have 1, 2 or no Magic Weekends, let the RFL/clubs decide.

 

I am not commenting on the whole game, as to be quite honest, no details of anything other than the 2 x 12 has been reported, so without making a load of stuff up I have nothing to say on them.

 

Not really any need for your style of questioning about my points which are in response to things in the public domain. As and when we hear anything about the teams below 1-24 then I'll give my opinion.



#43 Keith T

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Posted 13 May 2013 - 04:50 PM

What are you mithering me for? I was just commenting on the specific things that have been called out. I don't care whether we have 1, 2 or no Magic Weekends, let the RFL/clubs decide.

 

I am not commenting on the whole game, as to be quite honest, no details of anything other than the 2 x 12 has been reported, so without making a load of stuff up I have nothing to say on them.

 

Not really any need for your style of questioning about my points which are in response to things in the public domain. As and when we hear anything about the teams below 1-24 then I'll give my opinion.

 

Because from the tone of your post it seemed like your only interest was for the top tier clubs and no-one else.    I was just giving an alternative viewpoint.


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#44 Gav Wilson

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Posted 13 May 2013 - 04:57 PM

I'm pleased that LE has expressed an editorial opinion.  Please take note LoveRugbyLeague.

 

 

Fill your boots mate, I'm actually just writing mine now too as it happens...

 

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#45 Dave T

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Posted 13 May 2013 - 05:07 PM

Because from the tone of your post it seemed like your only interest was for the top tier clubs and no-one else.    I was just giving an alternative viewpoint.

Nope, you were reading something that wasn't there. I was commenting on what has been written. There was no mention of a 2nd division Magic Weekend - if this was mentioned, I'd have commented on it.

 

I have no idea whether the NR Cup would be retained, it hasn't been mentioned.



#46 Methven Hornet

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Posted 13 May 2013 - 05:10 PM

... i.e. purely hypothetical say the bottom four in Super League are London 9, Hull KR 8, Castleford 8, Salford 6. And the top of Championship are Halifax 20, Featherstone 16, Sheffield 16, Leigh 15. The full-time clubs then have ground to make up instead of simply running away on an even keel, but also would add spice to try harder in the first 11 games...

 

That is quite an intriguing proposal, and could possibly go some way to solving the problem of having full-time clubs from the top 12 playing the part-time clubs from the bottom 12. You'd probably have to tweak the points carried forward in some way to make it more of a realistic handicap, but it would probably make for a more exciting competition.

The only problem, again, would be that if the part-time finished in the top 4 they would still only have weeks to put a full-time squad together. And they would be more likely to finish in the 'middle play-off' the next season.


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#47 a.n Other

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Posted 13 May 2013 - 05:14 PM



The only problem, again, would be that if the part-time finished in the top 4 they would still only have weeks to put a full-time squad together. And they would be more likely to finish in the 'middle play-off' the next season.

 

With an increased cap and increased payment, a few (Fev, Fax) may go mainly full time. So therefore some the complete change of squad wouldnt be needed.



#48 Methven Hornet

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Posted 13 May 2013 - 09:10 PM

With an increased cap and increased payment, a few (Fev, Fax) may go mainly full time. So therefore some the complete change of squad wouldnt be needed.

 

Have these been announced as part of the proposals?


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Posted 13 May 2013 - 11:08 PM

I think the two divisions spliting to three mid season could be brilliant. The key to it working is if the caps are close enough to give meaningful competition in the middle division. As stated by others it would produce so many more games with something riding on them plus the top players would play more intense games each year. If this becomes reality it would need to be executed very well though. More details of funding etc need to be made public to make a proper judgement though.
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#50 Methven Hornet

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Posted 14 May 2013 - 04:14 AM

I think the two divisions spliting to three mid season could be brilliant. The key to it working is if the caps are close enough to give meaningful competition in the middle division. As stated by others it would produce so many more games with something riding on them plus the top players would play more intense games each year. If this becomes reality it would need to be executed very well though. More details of funding etc need to be made public to make a proper judgement though.

 

And then the problem could be that the standard of the elite competition falls significantly, possibly affecting future TV contracts.


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#51 giwildgo

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Posted 14 May 2013 - 06:12 AM

I can understand the suggestion of keeping the caps close together, but once again it is playing to the lowest common denominator. Clubs need something to aspire to. The Option 3 structure makes promotion easier, but it shouldn't be handed on a plate by dragging the playing field down. Growth, ambition and commercial success should be rewarded, rather than jeopardised to benefit struggling clubs. The game is better when there is more money in it, not less. Survival of the fittest and all that - get efficient and generate revenue or fall by the wayside to the level where the club can compete. Inflation has already diluted wages at the top level to a degree that should not be unachievable for at least twelve clubs. The fact that clubs in SL still fail to meet the cap after all these years is a sorry summary of the current state of the game.

#52 roughyedspud

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Posted 14 May 2013 - 06:15 AM

4 LEAGUES OF TEN

 

season runs easter to first week in october

 

9 home games , 9 away games , 1 magic game ( all 4 leagues have a version of the magic weekend

 

top 5 play offs across all 4 leagues

 

1 up & 1 down promotion & relegation

 

4 league cups

 

league cup played through feb & march

 

each league cup, in each of the 4 divisions would consist of 2 groups of 5, top 2 from each group advance to semi finals..then a final..

 

this would provide all clubs across all leagues a additional 4 home games a year......ontop of the 9 home games during the regular season....giving each club a guaranteed 13 game home programme....the same as super league clubs now

 

its also a extra competition the RFL can sell the tv & sponsorship rights too

 

CHALLENGE CUP

 

as is...played during the regular season

 

FUNDING

 

SL - £1.2m each
L1 - £500k each
L2 - £200k each
L3 - £100k each

thats £20m a year of central funding.....and considering the RFL gets more than that from its tv contracts every year,about £27m,and does'nt include other monies from sponsorship & sport england funding... i won't believe anyone who says there not enough money to fund this..

 

 

 

at the moment all the RFL is bothered about are the top 16-18 clubs that play the sport.....they need to wake up and realize they are responsible for ALL the clubs under their control!!........that would be a "WHOLE SPORT PLAN"!!


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#53 roughyedspud

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Posted 14 May 2013 - 06:16 AM

god knows why the font size is all over the place?? but you get the idea


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#54 Pottsy

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Posted 14 May 2013 - 06:42 AM

god knows why the font size is all over the place?? but you get the idea


If we are going to drop to smaller, more intense leagues (although I think a ten-team top flight is a touch too small) then I'm also a big fan of making up the fixture shortfall with a pre-season comp, rather than simply adding repeat fixtures to the regular season.

The only place I'd differ is that I'd have two rather than four tiers of competition: one for clubs either operating or aspiring to be full time pro and one for the semi-pro clubs beneath.

I know the conventional thinking is that we needed to rationalise the number of cups in the pro game (and, to be fair, we probably did) but a pre-season comp would freshen things up somewhat, boost the income of the smaller clubs and bring all of the pro game together.

It would also allow Super League itself to be launched at a more clement time of the year.

#55 hindle xiii

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Posted 14 May 2013 - 07:34 AM

I prefer Ben and Jerry's Cookie Dough.

I'm surprised the RFL didn't consult Just Brownie...

 

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#56 hindle xiii

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Posted 14 May 2013 - 07:34 AM

god knows why the font size is all over the place?? but you get the idea

Cut and paste probably.


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#57 The Parksider

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Posted 14 May 2013 - 07:43 AM

With an increased cap and increased payment, a few (Fev, Fax) may go mainly full time. So therefore some the complete change of squad wouldnt be needed.

In that case it begs the question why not increase SL to 16, and drop the cap down so every club that can afford to be professional is professional.

#58 a.n Other

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Posted 14 May 2013 - 08:10 AM

Have these been announced as part of the proposals?


I have read that an increase of £180k funding for the tier 2 sides and an increased cap. Could be wrong.

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Posted 14 May 2013 - 08:11 AM


In that case it begs the question why not increase SL to 16, and drop the cap down so every club that can afford to be professional is professional.


It does, but that as far as I am aware isn't one of the options being discussed.

#60 Pottsy

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Posted 14 May 2013 - 08:13 AM

In that case it begs the question why not increase SL to 16, and drop the cap down so every club that can afford to be professional is professional.


I don't think there are enough strong clubs to justify 14 licenses at the moment, let alone 16.

What we should be aiming for is intensity and transparency at every level




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