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#1 ckn

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Posted 14 May 2013 - 08:58 AM

I found this Guardian article quite interesting.  It is unfortunately a bit of poor journalism supporting it, essentially just rehashing the press release and adding little value beyond applying the Guardian's editorial style.

 

Is this just society shifting to the right as a whole?  Is it that benefits have improved so much that many people genuinely believe them to be too generous?  What about the attitudes of those in the minister/shadow minister positions as they're the policy makers?  What about the figures for the Tories and Lib Dems, that'd make interesting reading?  Is the Labour party shifting even further away from the left and these are really just centrist people who are now "Labour"?

 

The article didn't develop the survey at all and it's almost a casebook study of newspaper media's reluctance to use investigative journalism on things that'll never make front page.  Rehashing press releases is fine, just don't mention that it's a "landmark study" if you're not going to put any time into it.


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Posted 14 May 2013 - 11:38 AM

I found this Guardian article quite interesting.  It is unfortunately a bit of poor journalism supporting it, essentially just rehashing the press release and adding little value beyond applying the Guardian's editorial style.

 

Is this just society shifting to the right as a whole?  Is it that benefits have improved so much that many people genuinely believe them to be too generous?  What about the attitudes of those in the minister/shadow minister positions as they're the policy makers?  What about the figures for the Tories and Lib Dems, that'd make interesting reading?  Is the Labour party shifting even further away from the left and these are really just centrist people who are now "Labour"?

 

The article didn't develop the survey at all and it's almost a casebook study of newspaper media's reluctance to use investigative journalism on things that'll never make front page.  Rehashing press releases is fine, just don't mention that it's a "landmark study" if you're not going to put any time into it.

If you say something often enough it becomes true. We've had thirty years of "welfare is too generous / they bring it on themselves" from government and media. An entire generation has been born, grown up and had kids themselves with that message ringing in their ears. It's no surprise that the prevailing opinion has changed.

 

As for Labour, it's more centrist than ever before. There is no 'left' in this country, at least not one with the resources, profile, or policies to make any noise.


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#3 WearyRhino

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Posted 14 May 2013 - 01:11 PM


As for Labour, it's more centrist than ever before. There is no 'left' in this country, at least not one with the resources, profile, or policies to make any noise.


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Posted 14 May 2013 - 01:19 PM

I found this Guardian article quite interesting.  It is unfortunately a bit of poor journalism supporting it, essentially just rehashing the press release and adding little value beyond applying the Guardian's editorial style.

 

Is this just society shifting to the right as a whole?  Is it that benefits have improved so much that many people genuinely believe them to be too generous?  What about the attitudes of those in the minister/shadow minister positions as they're the policy makers?  What about the figures for the Tories and Lib Dems, that'd make interesting reading?  Is the Labour party shifting even further away from the left and these are really just centrist people who are now "Labour"?

 

The article didn't develop the survey at all and it's almost a casebook study of newspaper media's reluctance to use investigative journalism on things that'll never make front page.  Rehashing press releases is fine, just don't mention that it's a "landmark study" if you're not going to put any time into it.

 

 

I found this Guardian article quite interesting.  It is unfortunately a bit of poor journalism supporting it, essentially just rehashing the press release and adding little value beyond applying the Guardian's editorial style.

 

Is this just society shifting to the right as a whole?  Is it that benefits have improved so much that many people genuinely believe them to be too generous?  What about the attitudes of those in the minister/shadow minister positions as they're the policy makers?  What about the figures for the Tories and Lib Dems, that'd make interesting reading?  Is the Labour party shifting even further away from the left and these are really just centrist people who are now "Labour"?

 

The article didn't develop the survey at all and it's almost a casebook study of newspaper media's reluctance to use investigative journalism on things that'll never make front page.  Rehashing press releases is fine, just don't mention that it's a "landmark study" if you're not going to put any time into it.

 

 

If you say something often enough it becomes true. We've had thirty years of "welfare is too generous / they bring it on themselves" from government and media. An entire generation has been born, grown up and had kids themselves with that message ringing in their ears. It's no surprise that the prevailing opinion has changed.

 

As for Labour, it's more centrist than ever before. There is no 'left' in this country, at least not one with the resources, profile, or policies to make any noise.

 

 

society shifting to the right? If it wasn't for the working class vote the tories  would never get in

 

and labour a left wing party? not since Attlee I'm afraid-apart from Foot's pathetic period in tenure: talk about Foot in any other context and he's a hero of mine, but he was probably one of the worst leaders of the labour party.

 

If you look at the way society operates aspects of life that 'the right' find hard if not impossible to tolerate differing sexualities, people of different races, and so on have acceptance of them enforced by law-even the Tory government(with a lot of internal opposition) think gay marriage is ok.

 

What we are seeing and it happens every time there is high unemployment, recession and so on is looking for someone to blame. As ever it's immigrants, the unemployed themselves, and the poor in general. There are echoes of the 80s here, except the unions aren't in the firing line so much.


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