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#101 Johnoco

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Posted 16 May 2013 - 04:52 PM


Eh, I'd have to disagree with you there, I think it's pretty much a valid point of view for a noob to have. I used to feel the same way.

When I first tried watching league I thought it was very stop-start. It's just perception. To the uninitiated the wrestle/play the ball is a stop in play. It's only once you're more familiar with the sport do you see it, and attack and defence organising also, as an element of play rather than a break in play.

League fans who grew up with the sport might not see it, but I wouldn't dismiss it out of hand as invalid. As a new comer to both sports I found union much more free flowing to begin with, it's only when I had a bit of league viewing under my belt that I changed my mind.

I never saw it that way before I got into RL. A stoppage in play is something like a corner or a line out. Calling a PTB a stoppage is stretching it in my book. Its not like the time taken is really noticeable.

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#102 ChrisGS

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Posted 16 May 2013 - 05:25 PM

I never saw it that way before I got into RL. A stoppage in play is something like a corner or a line out. Calling a PTB a stoppage is stretching it in my book. Its not like the time taken is really noticeable.

 

Well no point getting strung up on technicalities, what I mean is that I found the game very stop-start when I first started watching it. And it wasn't the period of time but rather that there is a few seconds of action, a few seconds of (perceived) inaction, a few seconds of action, a few seconds of (perceived) inaction, repeat over and over again.

 

It's a bit much to expect first time viewers to appreciate, let alone enjoy, all that's happening on the field in between the tackle and the play the ball.

 

Not saying I can speak for everyone, your experience was obviously different, but I know I'm not alone in how I used to feel. More so with watching union first and being familiar with rucks. It's perfectly believable that most union fans find the dynamics of league pretty dull.



#103 HKR AWAY DAYS

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Posted 16 May 2013 - 05:31 PM

I remember talking to a Union fan from Merseyside in Florida in 2005 and he told me he doesn't like League because it is too slow.....

 

Mostly it is because everyone I speak to prefers football, which astounds me really.

 

I have the same thing with ice hockey. I've invited plenty of people who say they won't go because it is £15 to get in. I asked them to compare that to more inflated prices at the football, and that hockey games are usually done in around 2-and-a-half hours but they still won't give it a chance.



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Posted 16 May 2013 - 05:36 PM

You are clearly new to this forum

New to posting.. just telling it how I see it.. Hope thats ok.. :)



#105 l'angelo mysterioso

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Posted 16 May 2013 - 05:46 PM

New to posting.. just telling it how I see it.. Hope thats ok.. :)

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#106 Railway End

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Posted 16 May 2013 - 05:58 PM

Earlier this season I took my Brother in law to his first ever game of live Rugby League, the match in question being Fev v Barrow.  He is from Devon and lives in Cornwall and is primarily a soccer fan but often goes to Exeter Chiefs RU games with his mates.

 

To say he was impressed was an understatement.  He said he had always been brought up being told League was five drives then a kick down field and Union was the Rugby code of skill.  He was especially impressed with the handling skills of the forwards (even more so when I explained all the players on show were semi-pro).

 

Speaking to him after the game he admitted, whilst struggling to understand all the rules, he loved the speed, skill and aggression of the game.  He now wants to attend a live SL match on his next visit and is arranging a stag do trip with his Cornish mates to take in the WC semis at Wembley.


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#107 l'angelo mysterioso

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Posted 16 May 2013 - 06:12 PM

Earlier this season I took my Brother in law to his first ever game of live Rugby League, the match in question being Fev v Barrow.  He is from Devon and lives in Cornwall and is primarily a soccer fan but often goes to Exeter Chiefs RU games with his mates.

 

To say he was impressed was an understatement.  He said he had always been brought up being told League was five drives then a kick down field and Union was the Rugby code of skill.  He was especially impressed with the handling skills of the forwards (even more so when I explained all the players on show were semi-pro).

 

Speaking to him after the game he admitted, whilst struggling to understand all the rules, he loved the speed, skill and aggression of the game.  He now wants to attend a live SL match on his next visit and is arranging a stag do trip with his Cornish mates to take in the WC semis at Wembley.

coincidentally,  few years ago Exeter chiefs had a partnership with Rovers to exchange ideas, and best practice. It was instigated by the then chair Steve Evans


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#108 Railway End

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Posted 16 May 2013 - 06:25 PM

coincidentally,  few years ago Exeter chiefs had a partnership with Rovers to exchange ideas, and best practice. It was instigated by the then chair Steve Evans

 

Yeah, I remember something about that.  Did Fev ever get anything beneficial out of the link up?  I'm struggling to think of anything.  From what my Brother in Law has told me, there are quite a few similarities between the clubs in terms of history and how they are looking to build and move forward.


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#109 Padge

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Posted 16 May 2013 - 06:32 PM

I once took a guy from Worthing, who had only ever watched union, and a girl from India to a Saints Cas game. She was agog to say the least at what she was watching and said she really enjoyed it. As for him he just said he had never realised how fast the game was and thoroughly enjoyed it. Neither ever mentioned P&R.


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#110 l'angelo mysterioso

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Posted 16 May 2013 - 07:05 PM

Yeah, I remember something about that. Did Fev ever get anything beneficial out of the link up? I'm struggling to think of anything. From what my Brother in Law has told me, there are quite a few similarities between the clubs in terms of history and how they are looking to build and move forward.


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#111 l'angelo mysterioso

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Posted 16 May 2013 - 07:05 PM

Yeah, I remember something about that. Did Fev ever get anything beneficial out of the link up? I'm struggling to think of anything. From what my Brother in Law has told me, there are quite a few similarities between the clubs in terms of history and how they are looking to build and move forward.


Steve told me that the chiefs had shared ideas regarding administration and off field structure
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#112 Severus

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Posted 17 May 2013 - 06:19 AM

Both fans are 1-eyed for the most part. The big difference is that rugby league is actually factually superior in quite a few regards. Better cross-over skills and better general athleticism. The specialisation of rugby union positions has the downside of resulting in poorer athletes and fairly laughable core skills.

Rugby league players are on the whole athletically superior to union players. Rugby league players are on the whole equipped with better core skills than union players. Rugby league has on the whole superior tactical play, both attack and defence, than rugby union. Rugby league is even far more physical than union. These are truths that for the most part can be measured objectively, in spite of what union people may say. You could scientifically demonstrate all of those points to be true, except for the question of tactical play, which isn't an objective fact, but can be comfortably argued non the less.

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#113 ChrisGS

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Posted 17 May 2013 - 09:24 AM

Now where was that Karl Pilkinton picture again?

 

Where is your argument again?



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Posted 17 May 2013 - 09:58 AM

Where is your argument again?

 

This is the wrong board for cross-code discussions. 


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#115 Larry the Leit

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Posted 17 May 2013 - 10:28 AM

This is the wrong board for cross-code discussions. 

 

That's the best sidestep seen in union for decades.



#116 Severus

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Posted 17 May 2013 - 10:39 AM

That's the best sidestep seen in union for decades.

 

Is there any point going over the same old ground using the same old arguments trying to change the same old ingrained opinions? If Chris really thinks that then good luck to him. Its ironic that on a thread discussing opinions of non fans and bemoaning their lack of knowledge of RL we get that gem from Chris about RU.  


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#117 l'angelo mysterioso

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Posted 17 May 2013 - 11:06 AM

Is there any point going over the same old ground using the same old arguments trying to change the same old ingrained opinions? If Chris really thinks that then good luck to him. Its ironic that on a thread discussing opinions of non fans and bemoaning their lack of knowledge of RL we get that gem from Chris about RU.  

well said

 

I mighr have 'unliked' your post when I meant to like it Sevvy

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#118 ChrisGS

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Posted 17 May 2013 - 04:01 PM

Is there any point going over the same old ground using the same old arguments trying to change the same old ingrained opinions? If Chris really thinks that then good luck to him. Its ironic that on a thread discussing opinions of non fans and bemoaning their lack of knowledge of RL we get that gem from Chris about RU.  

 

There is no thinking to it. What I've said about the differences between rugby union and rugby league is true as a matter of fact.

 

But of course this just goes to show what I've been saying throughout the thread. You can't speak truth without extremists on either side of the argument attacking you.



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Posted 18 May 2013 - 03:12 PM

I remember one particular conversation with a few soccer fans who were saying they used to like Rugby League before it went commercial! Bit ironic I know but I simply reminded them that all sport is commercial these days which they had to agree.
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Posted 18 May 2013 - 09:12 PM

Bloke at work is/was a Scarborough football fan.....so he now has a link to RL via the Fev grandstands.
Anyway, I think his major gripe with RL is blow-out scores.
But as a typical Yorkshireman - a blow-out score to him is 26 - 12!!

He doesn't believe a salary cap can work properly in RL nor is it time to bring in goal line or any other technology in football a la rugby as it will stop the game too much.




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