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#41 gingerjon

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Posted 20 May 2013 - 06:59 PM

Plain old fashioned music snobbery.

A quick google shows that the poorest member of Abba is worth $4m.

The two blokes are worth well more than $100m each.

I think they can cope.
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#42 Methven Hornet

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Posted 20 May 2013 - 07:53 PM

I enjoyed it for what it was - a bit of good fun. Of course the UK's entry was rubbish, but that's a big part of the event!

 

If we're struggling to find mainstream performers to enter why not go down the more radical route? Winnie Puuh give one good example!

Other than that, Eurovision is supposed to be about European culture, and the UK is full of talented traditional/folk singers. Why not?

Oh, and Cliff did win Eurovision. It's just that that ####### Franco fixed the voting to give his regime 'prestige'.


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#43 WearyRhino

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Posted 20 May 2013 - 08:01 PM

Plain old fashioned music snobbery.


Not only that, but ignorance too. Abba are responsible for some of the most finely crafted pop songs of the last half a century. They are not personally my cup of tea, but anyone who knows the first thing about music and songwriting would never be so dismissive of Abba's cannon.

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#44 Northern Sol

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Posted 21 May 2013 - 12:12 AM

Not only that, but ignorance too. Abba are responsible for some of the most finely crafted pop songs of the last half a century. They are not personally my cup of tea, but anyone who knows the first thing about music and songwriting would never be so dismissive of Abba's cannon.

If it was ignorance then I wouldn't know how many people consider Abba to be a big deal and how long this has endured.



#45 Northern Sol

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Posted 21 May 2013 - 12:14 AM

How is that being honest?

It sounds more like, "I don't particularly like disposal pop music and as I can't name any of these tunes in one they must be bobbins. Having established that this is true for the UK I have decided it must be true for Europe."

Not really, I watch the show every year as a kid. Couldn't name a single song that I actually liked.



#46 Northern Sol

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Posted 21 May 2013 - 12:18 AM

A quick google shows that the poorest member of Abba is worth $4m.

The two blokes are worth well more than $100m each.

I think they can cope.

They were very successful that's not in doubt. They just didn't produce anything that wasn't plastic.



#47 gingerjon

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Posted 21 May 2013 - 07:22 AM

Not really, I watch the show every year as a kid. Couldn't name a single song that I actually liked.

 

 

They were very successful that's not in doubt. They just didn't produce anything that wasn't plastic.

 

So, to repeat, you've decided that as this music is not for you and you struggle to remember the details this must be the same for everyone in every country and, from this, conclude that no music of any worth can ever have come out of this competition.  Ever.


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Posted 21 May 2013 - 07:54 AM

There is nothing wrong with pure pop music.

 

Abba

Phil Spector

the Bee Gees

10 CC

Slade

Queen

 

All brilliant in their own way.


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#49 Amber Avenger

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Posted 21 May 2013 - 08:29 AM

The BBC won't stop showing it, as long as it continues to deliver healthy ratings for several hours at a very low cost to the corporation.

 

And here’s another part of the problem. As it stands for investment to ratings ratio, Eurovision is a pretty good deal for the Beeb. That is unless someone actually goes and wins the thing and they have to bare the cost of hosting it. It’s easier for the BBC to send an old established name and thrive on the “everyone hates us” rubbish because that’s what most people buy into and it gets the most publicity all round without any real cost. I have no doubt that if the BBC – or anyone behind the British Eurovision entries – genuinely wanted to make a credible assault on the contest then they could by simply getting in people who have listened to popular music in the past five years, but they choose not to.


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#50 Northern Sol

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Posted 21 May 2013 - 10:08 AM

So, to repeat, you've decided that as this music is not for you and you struggle to remember the details this must be the same for everyone in every country and, from this, conclude that no music of any worth can ever have come out of this competition.  Ever.

I am pointing out that I do not like it and if you are honest, you don't either. Nobody really does. They consume it and discard it.

 

I have a fairly extensive CD collection as I am sure you do. I have exactly zero Eurovision tracks in my music collection, I doubt that you are any different. I doubt that anyone in this thread owns a significant number.

 

Some people might enjoy the contest but I don't think anyone really enjoys the music all that much. Why pretend otherwise?



#51 Northern Sol

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Posted 21 May 2013 - 10:11 AM

There is nothing wrong with pure pop music.

 

Abba

Phil Spector

the Bee Gees

10 CC

Slade

Queen

 

All brilliant in their own way.

There is nothing wrong with pop music done well.



#52 gingerjon

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Posted 21 May 2013 - 10:30 AM

I am pointing out that I do not like it and if you are honest, you don't either. Nobody really does. They consume it and discard it.

 

I have a fairly extensive CD collection as I am sure you do. I have exactly zero Eurovision tracks in my music collection, I doubt that you are any different. I doubt that anyone in this thread owns a significant number.

 

Some people might enjoy the contest but I don't think anyone really enjoys the music all that much. Why pretend otherwise?

 

If I didn't enjoy the music, or at least expect to enjoy some of it, I wouldn't watch it.

 

Just checked my current Spotify playlist.  833 songs, 7 tracks (at least) from Eurovision.


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#53 Johnoco

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Posted 21 May 2013 - 10:39 AM

There is nothing wrong with pure pop music.
 
Abba
Phil Spector
the Bee Gees
10 CC
Slade
Queen
 
All brilliant in their own way.

Eh? Slade aren't pop music and neither are Queen really. Slade are an out and out rock n roll band. Popular yes, but not pop. Abba are pop music and I aren't knocking it either.

#54 Johnoco

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Posted 21 May 2013 - 10:40 AM

Oh and its nothing to do with snobbery, Eurovision is pretty terrible, not big clever or camp... terrible.

#55 JohnM

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Posted 21 May 2013 - 10:59 AM

When Abba took the stage with Waterloo..the impact was tremendous and it was clear that it would be the winner. That was  in the days when we didn't hear all the songs in advance...well, not that one anyway.  

 

In any case, even the worst of Eurovision songs is better than the pap put out by the likes of  Justin Beiber and his ilk.  There will always be the critics who believe that anything popular must be de facto of low quality

 

Of course it's always going to be difficult for Great Britain as we dominate in so many areas of popular music. However, as the contest now seems to provide an opportunity for small socialist countries striving to prove they really do exist, maybe Scotland should enter under its own name in future.  :tongue:


Edited by JohnM, 21 May 2013 - 11:21 AM.


#56 Johnoco

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Posted 21 May 2013 - 12:41 PM

Its not because its popular, its because it is no good. IMO

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Posted 21 May 2013 - 07:47 PM

Was Focus - Hocus Pocus ever a Eurovision entry? If not, why the hell not?!


If you use "should of", "would of" or "could of", you are a moron.

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Posted 21 May 2013 - 08:10 PM

I am pointing out that I do not like it and if you are honest, you don't either. Nobody really does. They consume it and discard it.

 

I have a fairly extensive CD collection as I am sure you do. I have exactly zero Eurovision tracks in my music collection, I doubt that you are any different. I doubt that anyone in this thread owns a significant number.

 

Some people might enjoy the contest but I don't think anyone really enjoys the music all that much. Why pretend otherwise?

 

Last year's Eurovision winning song was a Top 3 hit in the official Uk singles chart. Not only did a lot of British folk like it, they paid money to own it.

 

http://www.nulpoints.net/chart.htm


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Posted 21 May 2013 - 08:14 PM

When Abba took the stage with Waterloo..the impact was tremendous and it was clear that it would be the winner.

 

Except to the UK jury who gave it nul points!

 

http://www.nulpoints.net/1974.htm

 

Probably the same people who turned The Beatles down at Decca Records in 1961. :laugh:


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#60 yanto

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Posted 21 May 2013 - 08:15 PM

Eurovision is about popularity but it damages credibility.

Dutch entry Anouk is one off if not THE biggest stars in the Netherlands and her credibility was'nt damaged.In fact the whole country got behind her.
"Birds" was not written just for Eurovision its from her latest album ..a little reminder :-)Den Haag lass to boot !!

Edited by yanto, 21 May 2013 - 08:17 PM.





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