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The impacts of the benefits "reform" implemented by the coalition


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#41 gingerjon

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Posted 31 May 2013 - 03:46 PM

Could you not suggest the same about voluntary work?

That depends entirely on the nature of the work.

For example our local hospital has volunteers on the reception. They provide a nice welcome, point people in the right direction and if people need help they call the porters. They also have a nice coffee shop to direct people to.

What they don't do is book in appointments, manage the waiting rooms or process the paperwork. Although this bit is also mainly done on the reception it's done by people paid to work and who have contracts, training and the like.

If the volunteers on reception stopped turning up the hospital would be a less nice place but it would keep going; if the salaried people stopped turning up the place would be screwed. If the salaried were replaced by volunteers - as is occasionally threatened - then we'd lose the guarantee of an effective service.

Any time you're talking about filling 'mission critical' work with volunteers what you're effectively doing is looking for a free way of getting something done that should be paid for.
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Posted 31 May 2013 - 04:23 PM

Any time you're talking about filling 'mission critical' work with volunteers what you're effectively doing is looking for a free way of getting something done that should be paid for.

The RFU are finding that out about now!  They made all referee development officers across England redundant below a certain level around Christmas time, most of them did stay on as a voluntary role doing fewer duties.  Now, the RFU has sent them all a letter telling them that the role must now be done to a new job spec, startlingly like the one made redundant, but on a volunteer only basis.  The sheer cheek of the RFU and principle of it has had more than a few walking away taking all their knowledge and contacts with them.

 

The question should always be "what happens if this person just doesn't bother turning up one day and walks away without notice?"  If the answer is "we'd be screwed" then the job isn't suitable for a volunteer.


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Posted 31 May 2013 - 05:19 PM

food banks will have a boom time


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#44 Saint Billinge

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Posted 31 May 2013 - 08:18 PM

Do we really have a credible political party to lead us to the so-called Promised Land? 



#45 Padge

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Posted 31 May 2013 - 09:09 PM

Do we really have a credible political party to lead us to the so-called Promised Land? 

We have a party, it needs a leader and a good smattering of sensible followers.



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Posted 31 May 2013 - 10:15 PM

Do we really have a credible political party to lead us to the so-called Promised Land? 

 

 

no, we haven't had one for an awful long time


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Posted 31 May 2013 - 10:20 PM

Do we really have a credible political party to lead us to the so-called Promised Land? 

 

There is no promised land. 

 

But there can be a more equitable one. 


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Posted 31 May 2013 - 10:48 PM

These poloticicians don't have a clue what to do. All they talk about is winning the next election rather than what they'll do if they win. Seems to me decisions are made outside of politics for the benefit of those making them and no matter the party that gets in we'll still head in the same direction we are now, nothing will change bar the colour of a tie.
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#49 Wolford6

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Posted 01 June 2013 - 01:09 AM

The Tories simultaneously: -

 

  • tried to capitalise on the success of paralympic athletes
  • closed the Remploy factories that provided dignity and employment for disabled workers

Sums up everything that party has ever stood for.


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#50 gingerjon

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Posted 01 June 2013 - 06:52 AM

The Tories simultaneously: -

  • tried to capitalise on the success of paralympic athletes
  • closed the Remploy factories that provided dignity and employment for disabled workers
Sums up everything that party has ever stood for.
The disabled people I worked with found Remploy to be problematic. Most were happy to see it closed. All were unhappy with the brutal way it was done and with no support for those left unemployed as a result.
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#51 Saint Billinge

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Posted 01 June 2013 - 07:16 AM

These poloticicians don't have a clue what to do. All they talk about is winning the next election rather than what they'll do if they win. Seems to me decisions are made outside of politics for the benefit of those making them and no matter the party that gets in we'll still head in the same direction we are now, nothing will change bar the colour of a tie.

 

I'm unconvinced that anything will change for the better, no matter who gets elected. I really do despair when you see failures in the former FSA being offered key positions in the banking sector. As for the MP caught on camera saying he only charges £1,000 a day to raise question in parliament, it shows how far some are out of touch. 


Edited by Saint Billinge, 01 June 2013 - 07:38 AM.


#52 Trojan

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Posted 01 June 2013 - 01:17 PM

It has to be said that the changes to benefits (in principle, maybe not the implementation) is a very popular move.  Labour support these changes because they see the same polling data.  They are also scared of being called soft and know that when (almost certain) get in power at next election that they will have to do the same.

 

Perhaps they wouldn't be so popular if the government's using false statistics to prove its case was given more publicity:

http://www.guardian....ign?INTCMP=SRCH

 

"We often hear politicians quoting numbers, but what do they mean? In March, a Conservative party press release, faithfully reported in the Sunday Telegraph, claimed "nearly a million people" had come off incapacity benefit rather than face new medical tests"

 

"But the big number was – there is no other word for it – a lie. Dilnot, now responsible for protecting the integrity of official statistics, exposed it as a lie this week, albeit using mild Whitehall language in letters to Shapps and Iain Duncan Smith, the work and pensions secretary"

 

Unfortunately this news was not given the prominence that the original news got.


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#53 Trojan

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Posted 01 June 2013 - 01:24 PM

We have a party, it needs a leader and a good smattering of sensible followers.

 

Perhaps he should as people where they want to go then he could lead them there ;)

I don't reckon Milliband is that bad. I think he'd make an excellent PM - certainly better than the one we've currently got (I reckon Balls would make a better one)  But he has the most thankless task in politics  Leader of the Opposition.  Say what you like about Brown, Blair, Major, Thatcher, at least they had the balls to turn up every week for a grilling by the current opposiltion leader.  This one takes every opportunity to duck PMQ's.  He's only attended one in the last 12.  Presumably he felt Milliband was getting the upper hand and decided to let things cool off a bit. It's Millband's only chance in Parliament to raise his profile and Cameron is denying him that chance by using any manoeuvre he can dream up to avoid the confrontation.


Edited by Trojan, 01 June 2013 - 01:25 PM.

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#54 Trojan

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Posted 01 June 2013 - 01:28 PM

You're too gullible, CKN, by far.   :mellow:

 

In the complete absence of any Parliamentary opposition whatsoever, surely the warning bells must ring when the Guardian, - the star of the tax-avoiding GNM Group, The Dependent,  Oxfam - who actually do such a good job in so many areas-  and the proselytizing Trussel Trust, who are vigorously promoting food banks as well as doing good, get together to fill the void. It is clearly in their own interests to paint such a miserable picture.

 

 

Before slagging off the Guardian John, perhaps you should look at the tax affairs of the Torygraph owning Barclay Brothers. 


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#55 tonyXIII

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Posted 01 June 2013 - 07:07 PM

Before slagging off the Guardian John, perhaps you should look at the tax affairs of the Torygraph owning Barclay Brothers. 

 

You are making a valid point, but we should perhaps look at public perception here. We would expect nothing else of the Telegraph owners. But the Guardian is widely perceived to represent a liberal, left-leaning readership, so their tax affairs, though perfectly understandable (not necessarily defensible) from a business point of view, do create something of a paradox in the mind of the public. IMO.


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Posted 01 June 2013 - 07:23 PM

You are making a valid point, but we should perhaps look at public perception here. We would expect nothing else of the Telegraph owners. But the Guardian is widely perceived to represent a liberal, left-leaning readership, so their tax affairs, though perfectly understandable (not necessarily defensible) from a business point of view, do create something of a paradox in the mind of the public. IMO.

Their stance politically is a business stance, it is where a hole in the market is to take an advantage of.

 

Its no different M&S still projecting they are 'Made in Britain" when in reality they are made in third world sweat shops.



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#57 Bostik Bailey

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Posted 02 June 2013 - 09:10 AM

Saw a truly awful sight yesterday, a collection trolley in morrisons for a food bank. I now and again i donate dog food to the dogs trust.

If anybody thinks that this government are a just and progressive one just think about this for a moment.

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Posted 02 June 2013 - 10:39 AM

The Bedroom Tax is applied to all council tenants except, seemingly, the ex-wife of Abu Hamza ... who is living in a £1million house at our expense.

 

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#59 Bedford Roughyed

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Posted 02 June 2013 - 11:41 AM

Perhaps they wouldn't be so popular if the government's using false statistics to prove its case was given more publicity:

http://www.guardian....ign?INTCMP=SRCH

 

"We often hear politicians quoting numbers, but what do they mean? In March, a Conservative party press release, faithfully reported in the Sunday Telegraph, claimed "nearly a million people" had come off incapacity benefit rather than face new medical tests"

 

"But the big number was – there is no other word for it – a lie. Dilnot, now responsible for protecting the integrity of official statistics, exposed it as a lie this week, albeit using mild Whitehall language in letters to Shapps and Iain Duncan Smith, the work and pensions secretary"

 

Unfortunately this news was not given the prominence that the original news got.

 

Except that it's been popular before the tories and dodgy stats.  It's why Labour brought in ATOS in the first place.


With the best, thats a good bit of PR, though I would say the Bedford team, theres, like, you know, 13 blokes who can get together at the weekend to have a game together, which doesnt point to expansion of the game. Point, yeah go on!

#60 Trojan

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Posted 02 June 2013 - 11:51 AM

Except that it's been popular before the tories and dodgy stats.  It's why Labour brought in ATOS in the first place.

Fiddling the figures has been a government activity for years, but not on the scale this lot seem to be doing it.  And lyng to Parliament used to be a resigning matter, Cameron and his mates seem to do it routinely and get away with it.


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