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#41 Wolford6

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Posted 02 June 2013 - 11:11 PM

 Many cats have the bovine form of TB.

 

Now we are talking.

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#42 Steve May

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Posted 03 June 2013 - 06:29 AM

plenty of dead badgers here in Lincs. they seem to be suicidal, hurling themselves in front of cars and trucks at night. There are clearly issues with the effectiveness of culling, hence the pilot schemes - which themselves have issues. Nevertheless , the evidence from Ireland points to probable success, as has already been pointed out. There is no right answer, not until an effective vaccine comes along.

 

There was a programme on R4 the other week in which some boffin explained that badger culling improves the situation in the short term but caused all the badgers to move about in response to the changes in their territories, making the problem worse in the long term.

 

Something like that anyway.

 

Personally, I'm not sure why this is an emotive issue.   It either works or it doesn't.  So do it or not.


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#43 Steve May

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Posted 03 June 2013 - 06:31 AM

By and large, townies should accept that they don't understand the country and should stay out of rural concerns.

 

After all, the farming industry does a wonderful job of being sustainable and profitable.

 

Just a thought - maybe you should listen to "townies" because

 

1. They are your customers

2. Some of them are quite clever


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#44 Steve May

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Posted 03 June 2013 - 06:33 AM

I knocked a badger over once on the A64 (complete accident). It was pretty scary, it went with a right crunch

 

Top comment.

 

Is it bad that I laughed?


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#45 Steve May

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Posted 03 June 2013 - 06:34 AM

The key question is surely whether badger tastes as good as horse.

 

Difficult to know.   I had a very cheap beef and onion pie last week and it was fine but it didn't say if it was horse or badger.

 

Or human...


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#46 Wolford6

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Posted 03 June 2013 - 07:14 AM

After all, the farming industry does a wonderful job of being sustainable and profitable.

 

Just a thought - maybe you should listen to "townies" because

 

1. They are your customers

2. Some of them are quite clever

 

1. I'm not in the farming business, I just come from a rural area.

2. So are the chaps at Defra .... er, no, oh God, come to think of it, the Defra Environmental team is just a bunch of useless EC Quislings. :sclerosis:

 

I think maybe you're right.

:D

 

 

We'll have to ask Shami Chakrarbarti; she always knows what's best for us on everything. It's just a shame she's generally too shy to put her views forward.


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#47 MikeW

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Posted 03 June 2013 - 07:44 AM

 cute (which they are not) and fury.

TBF if someone was trying to kill me I'd be pretty annoyed too.



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Posted 03 June 2013 - 08:18 AM

No, I have never had a Dr Wakefield moment. Yes, I am sure and it has been the subject of academic reports for many years. The reports don't make for light reading though.

 

Needless to say this is not a simple matter. There are other criticisms of culls, including the fact that they are very expensive for the benefit obtained and they don't deal with other factors in the case of TB, such as poor farming and animal transport practices.

 

If you spend a bit of time researching the incidence and nature  of illness and infection in farm animals you may well come across information that surprises you, or maybe turns your stomach, depending on your sensitivities, eg concerning the amount of pus in milk............ Enjoy, as they say these days.... :ph34r:

 

not suggesting you had. I was referring to the stance of the anti-cull arguers. 



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Posted 03 June 2013 - 09:12 AM

not suggesting you had. I was referring to the stance of the anti-cull arguers. 

 

 

I know. The analogy doesn't really work,as many of the opponents of culling support vaccination. The debate has been going on for many years with a lot of lobbying from the anti-cull side and the representatives of the farmers. A lot of the delay is about MPs and the government not being able to satisfy the vociferous lobbyists, so repeatedly kicking it into the long grass. Politicians know that people in this country get very exercised to do with many issues concerning animals and animal welfare. Something needs to be done about TB in cattle of course and it must be desperately sad for farmers to have their herds slaughtered. Agreeing what the action needs to be, is what the debate is about. I expect there will be some of the familiar intimidation methods employed by animal rights extremists used against the people involved in the cull and their families in coming months.

 

There are a lot of badgers (Meles meles) about these days and badger baiting still goes on. I see badgers quite a bit and they visit my garden; they can make quite a mess through their digging for worms. I'd guess that if you eat one it would have a pretty earthy flavour, given their diet. Badgers are a member of the mustelidae family of mammals, or weasels, as they are more generally known. There are a small number of ginger badgers. That's probably more than anyone wanted to know about badgers, so I'll leave it there.


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#50 JohnM

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Posted 04 June 2013 - 10:10 AM

I know. The analogy doesn't really work,as many of the opponents of culling support vaccination. The debate has been going on for many years with a lot of lobbying from the anti-cull side and the representatives of the farmers. A lot of the delay is about MPs and the government not being able to satisfy the vociferous lobbyists, so repeatedly kicking it into the long grass. Politicians know that people in this country get very exercised to do with many issues concerning animals and animal welfare. Something needs to be done about TB in cattle of course and it must be desperately sad for farmers to have their herds slaughtered. Agreeing what the action needs to be, is what the debate is about. I expect there will be some of the familiar intimidation methods employed by animal rights extremists used against the people involved in the cull and their families in coming months.

 

There are a lot of badgers (Meles meles) about these days and badger baiting still goes on. I see badgers quite a bit and they visit my garden; they can make quite a mess through their digging for worms. I'd guess that if you eat one it would have a pretty earthy flavour, given their diet. Badgers are a member of the mustelidae family of mammals, or weasels, as they are more generally known. There are a small number of ginger badgers. That's probably more than anyone wanted to know about badgers, so I'll leave it there.

 

you've done it now!  the ginger badger liberation front will be up in arms!  In referring to Andrew Wakefileed I was thinking of how something apparently scientifically researched but flawed lured some into inaction that had negative consequnces down the line.



#51 Severus

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Posted 04 June 2013 - 01:59 PM

TBF if someone was trying to kill me I'd be pretty annoyed too.

 

Have the badgers been reading the papers?


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Posted 04 June 2013 - 06:46 PM

As long as they leave our beavers alone.
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#53 gingerjon

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Posted 10 June 2013 - 01:35 PM


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#54 ckn

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Posted 10 June 2013 - 01:40 PM

"It's nothing to do with the badgers, it's an attack on rich people"


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#55 Bedford Roughyed

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Posted 25 August 2013 - 10:52 PM

Badger cull starts on Monday it would seem, in test areas.

 

The cull is expected to kill 75% - 80% of Badgers in an area, and is expected to reduce TB infected cattle by 16%.

 

Taken nationally the rough figures are 175,000 (of 250,000) Badgers killed to save 4480 cattle (of 28,000).

 

Farmers union have taken out an injunction that stops you even using a torch at night in the culling areas...


With the best, thats a good bit of PR, though I would say the Bedford team, theres, like, you know, 13 blokes who can get together at the weekend to have a game together, which doesnt point to expansion of the game. Point, yeah go on!

#56 Bedford Roughyed

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Posted 25 August 2013 - 10:52 PM

http://www.theguardi... news:Position3

Rock star Brian May, a vice-president of the RSPCA, has accused the government of being involved in a campaign to discredit animal welfare organisations as part of an increasingly rancorous war of words ahead of this week's badger cull.

 

Speaking before the expected start of the cull tomorrow, the Queen guitarist accused officials of utilising vested interests and elements of the media to espouse "propaganda" supporting the controversial scheme.

 


With the best, thats a good bit of PR, though I would say the Bedford team, theres, like, you know, 13 blokes who can get together at the weekend to have a game together, which doesnt point to expansion of the game. Point, yeah go on!

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Posted 25 August 2013 - 10:54 PM

http://www.theguardi...e-tb?CMP=twt_gu

Members of the public who may know little about farming – or wildlife – could be forgiven for thinking that farmers' lives are being ruined by badgers.

 

It is a message being peddled by the farming press, by some – but not all – farmers, and even by the BBC's Countryfile programme. They say that thousands of cattle are being slaughtered every year (30,000 in 2010) because of bovine tuberculosis (bTB) – an airborne respiratory disease – at enormous cost to farmers and the taxpayer: £100m last year. This much is true. They also say that bTB is being passed to cattle by badgers. This I dispute, based on evidence from those who know better than me – scientists.

 


With the best, thats a good bit of PR, though I would say the Bedford team, theres, like, you know, 13 blokes who can get together at the weekend to have a game together, which doesnt point to expansion of the game. Point, yeah go on!

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Posted 27 August 2013 - 09:35 AM

 

 

as though its a bad thing 8-)


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Posted 31 August 2013 - 09:20 AM

you won`t see hedgehogs where badgers live   .badgers like to eat them.



#60 longboard

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Posted 31 August 2013 - 10:14 AM

you won`t see hedgehogs where badgers live   .badgers like to eat them.

You will see hedgehogs in the same areas as badgers. They are competitor species and eat some of the same prey types. It is thought that some badgers are able to eat hedgehogs. Badgers mainly eat worms, grubs etc.. There are hedgehogs in the areas where the cull will take place. I have seen hedgehogs within yards of badger setts and I get both species in my garden.

 

Some people attribute the decline in hedgehog nos to the increase In nos of badgers but naturalists see this as a mInor factor compared to farming practices, habitat loss, changes in gardens/gardening and the squashing by cars etc..


Edited by longboard, 31 August 2013 - 10:36 AM.





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