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Wigan bid for Leigh's Sam Hopkins


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#21 Viking Warrior

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Posted 13 June 2013 - 11:00 AM

the amateur scene in leigh and the surrounding are has been producing quality players for years......hopkins is just the latest.
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#22 The Parksider

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Posted 13 June 2013 - 11:38 AM

The amateur scene in leigh and the surrounding are has been producing quality players for years......hopkins is just the latest.

That's fair enough. The amateur scene in Hunslet has been doing the same only we get what Leigh get.

Leeds sign 'em......

How are you going to keep your best young Widnes players BTW??

#23 Viking Warrior

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Posted 13 June 2013 - 12:32 PM

signing them to long contracts,
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#24 The Parksider

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Posted 13 June 2013 - 12:40 PM

signing them to long contracts,

That's good. If we are to make headway beyond a 6 club SL we have to try to stop top clubs taking other SL clubs players. Will you get back to the 80's on local player development though?

#25 Father Ted

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Posted 13 June 2013 - 01:52 PM

One way is to change the "club trained" quota from 8 players in the 25 man squad to 8 in the game day 17.
That way clubs are compelled to produce their own and not take other less well off clubs better players.

#26 Larry the Leit

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Posted 13 June 2013 - 01:56 PM

One way is to change the "club trained" quota from 8 players in the 25 man squad to 8 in the game day 17.
That way clubs are compelled to produce their own and not take other less well off clubs better players.

 

This would benefit Wigan and Leeds.  Do these clubs need additional benefits?

 

I love the idea of club trained players, but I also love the idea of free movement of labour, and appropriate recompense for players.  I could see that this could impact this.



#27 l'angelo mysterioso

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Posted 13 June 2013 - 04:18 PM

One way is to change the "club trained" quota from 8 players in the 25 man squad to 8 in the game day 17.
That way clubs are compelled to produce their own and not take other less well off clubs better players.

people have the right to work for whoever will employ them.

Why not get DEFRA in on the act if you want to treat people like cattle?


Edited by l'angelo mysterioso, 13 June 2013 - 04:18 PM.

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#28 Griff9of13

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Posted 13 June 2013 - 04:26 PM

This would benefit Wigan and Leeds.  Do these clubs need additional benefits?

 

I love the idea of club trained players, but I also love the idea of free movement of labour, and appropriate recompense for players.  I could see that this could impact this.

 

But why shouldn't they reap the rewards from years of investment in youth development? 

 

 

 

(I do agree with your point about restriction of free movement though.)


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#29 Larry the Leit

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Posted 13 June 2013 - 06:11 PM

But why shouldn't they reap the rewards from years of investment in youth development? 

 

They already do.



#30 Father Ted

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Posted 13 June 2013 - 08:04 PM

If you have to provide eight players from your own club's youth structure in every match day seventeen then that would stop some poaching of other clubs players. There are SL clubs who struggle to get eight in the 25 and rely on buy ins of other clubs talent.
Clubs should be responsible for their own recruitment and not reply on other providing players for them.

#31 The Parksider

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Posted 14 June 2013 - 05:17 AM

If you have to provide eight players from your own club's youth structure in every match day seventeen then that would stop some poaching of other clubs players. There are SL clubs who struggle to get eight in the 25 and rely on buy ins of other clubs talent.
Clubs should be responsible for their own recruitment and not reply on other providing players for them.

That is a good idea. However on this years numbers Salford and Wakefield would be stuffed. The former would struggle badly under the idea especially, and their rich owner may not want to operate under such a handicap.

#32 Saint Toppy

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Posted 14 June 2013 - 07:21 AM

In addition to a 'home grown' quota there should be some sort of incentive for clubs to bring their youngsters through.

If all 'home grown' players only counted say 75% on the salary cap it suddenly becomes a much more attractive proposition to use your own kids instead of buying in from other clubs - The more you bring through, the more you can spend !



#33 sweaty craiq

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Posted 14 June 2013 - 07:30 AM

I wonder how long the list is of players from outside the keighley area who turned professional with keighley
Well I don't because its huge

And Hopkins would have turned pro with Salford if the deal hadn't fallen through

 

It didn't fall through he CHOSE his hometown club.



#34 Viking Warrior

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Posted 14 June 2013 - 08:38 AM

jimmy taylor of leigh was a classic example of a player who would have made it in super league, i know for a fact he turned down the chance to join widnes when we were last in the top flight because he wanted to play for his home town club. sadly for RL jimmy never got the rewards his talent deserved but he was happy playing for leigh....
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#35 l'angelo mysterioso

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Posted 14 June 2013 - 08:39 AM


It didn't fall through he CHOSE his hometown club.


So presumably he'll turn Wigan down for the same reason
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#36 Viking Warrior

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Posted 14 June 2013 - 08:49 AM

So presumably he'll turn Wigan down for the same reason

techically wigan are his home town club......leigh is part of wigan borough.
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#37 l'angelo mysterioso

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Posted 14 June 2013 - 08:53 AM

techically wigan are his home town club......leigh is part of wigan borough.


Ah so if players who learn the game in Leigh turn pro with Wigan as hundreds have done over the years that's different
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#38 l'angelo mysterioso

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Posted 14 June 2013 - 08:53 AM

techically wigan are his home town club......leigh is part of wigan borough.


Ah so if players who learn the game in Leigh turn pro with Wigan as hundreds have done over the years that's different
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#39 Viking Warrior

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Posted 14 June 2013 - 08:58 AM

is there an echo in here??
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#40 l'angelo mysterioso

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Posted 14 June 2013 - 09:04 AM

is there an echo in here??

 

no

 

 

no

 

I wasn't having a go at you.

 

I just think that the idea of telling people what club they are allowed to play for unsavoury


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