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#381 l'angelo mysterioso

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Posted 07 August 2013 - 07:59 AM

Is it possible to put aside the lives of those killed by people who have already served "life sentences"?

I wasn't saying that someone's life was pedantry, i was saying that you are a pedant. I think you already knew that though, but you are a pedant, and just couldn't let the opportunity pass.

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#382 JohnM

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Posted 07 August 2013 - 11:01 AM

Is it possible to put aside the lives of those killed by people who have already served "life sentences"?

I wasn't saying that someone's life was pedantry, i was saying that you are a pedant. I think you already knew that though, but you are a pedant, and just couldn't let the opportunity pass.

 

 

And what a huge opportunity. too good to miss. fish in a barrel and all that. 



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Posted 08 August 2013 - 06:57 AM

Still the same old patronising tone, eh Chris?

Careful, that suggests you've been here longer than six months.


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Posted 08 August 2013 - 09:03 AM

Still the same old patronising tone, eh Chris?

Since 1964 we have executed no-one, yet the "Lifers" continue to re-offend. Should we continue to allow innocent people to die just to appease the likes of you and John the Pedant?


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#385 l'angelo mysterioso

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Posted 08 August 2013 - 09:17 AM

Still the same old patronising tone, eh Chris?

Since 1964 we have executed no-one, yet the "Lifers" continue to re-offend. Should we continue to allow innocent people to die just to appease the likes of you and John the Pedant?


Patronising? Don't be so pedantic
Rather you generate a certain ennui

The argument regarding the death penalty has been gone over exhaustively by those in favour and those against

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#386 l'angelo mysterioso

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Posted 08 August 2013 - 09:18 AM

Careful, that suggests you've been here longer than six months.

It shouts it out loud

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Posted 08 August 2013 - 04:47 PM

I don't know what that was an attempt at, but it didn't work on any level.

well I'm not dumbing down

 

so what was your previous username?

 

Just to get back on topic though

I respect your views on the death penalty, along with all the other people who express the same views on her.

But what ideas have you or the others brought to the discussion that havent been trawled over a thousand times already?

We all klnow the reasons for or against and we've all decided where we stand. What is the point of going over it all yet again


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Posted 08 August 2013 - 05:51 PM

 

 

We haven't executed anyone for 49 years, but we have released murderers back into the community to take more lives, and we continue to do so.

 

 

 

 

How many? Seriously, no point scoring, I don't know, so how many?


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#389 Shadow

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Posted 08 August 2013 - 06:08 PM

But we do, don't we?

 

We haven't executed anyone for 49 years, but we have released murderers back into the community to take more lives, and we continue to do so.

 

Life doesn't mean life, and never will, so we need a different way of dealing with it. Maybe the one we haven't tried for 49 years?

I really don't understand your thinking here.

Life doesn't mean life and never will so your alternative is to execute people?

Could you let us have the figures for murders committed by killers released after 25 years and 40 years?

I'm sure you have them, what with yours being such a well considered viewpoint.


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Posted 08 August 2013 - 06:18 PM

I know that there are others on the forum who have lost relatives / friends.......

 

 

....I've had three friends who have been unlawfully killed.  

 

 

After the initial trauma, upset, questioning, posturing, and long mourning....

 

 

...each of them has gone.  Taking someone else's life will never bring John back (even though the dirty scrote killed him for his pin number, although it still makes me smile that John had nowt in his account).  It will never bring Steve back (even though they killed him in a state of sleepwalking).  And it will never bring Dave back (who tried to stop an argument in a pub).


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Posted 08 August 2013 - 07:25 PM

I know that there are others on the forum who have lost relatives / friends.......

 

 

....I've had three friends who have been unlawfully killed.  

 

 

After the initial trauma, upset, questioning, posturing, and long mourning....

 

 

...each of them has gone.  Taking someone else's life will never bring John back (even though the dirty scrote killed him for his pin number, although it still makes me smile that John had nowt in his account).  It will never bring Steve back (even though they killed him in a state of sleepwalking).  And it will never bring Dave back (who tried to stop an argument in a pub).

 

 

That is very sad i admire your stance.


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Posted 08 August 2013 - 07:26 PM

How many? Seriously, no point scoring, I don't know, so how many?

It's dozens mate. Possibly hundreds.

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Posted 08 August 2013 - 07:29 PM

That is very sad i admire your stance.

 

 

That is very sad i admire your stance.

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Posted 08 August 2013 - 07:42 PM

It's dozens mate. Possibly hundreds.

 

 

no come on, the numbers will be recorded, Dozens? or hundreds? a huge discrepancy there.  Those of you who claim there have been "hundreds" killed by released lifers need to back up your claims.


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Posted 08 August 2013 - 08:13 PM

no come on, the numbers will be recorded, Dozens? or hundreds? a huge discrepancy there. Those of you who claim there have been "hundreds" killed by released lifers need to back up your claims.

I quoted it earlier in this thread, in a ten year period (late 90's to early 2000's) and the figure was 30+. That was just in 10 years.
But even if it was 3, that's too many

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Posted 08 August 2013 - 08:22 PM

I quoted it earlier in this thread, in a ten year period (late 90's to early 2000's) and the figure was 30+. That was just in 10 years.
But even if it was 3, that's too many

 

 

so not "hundreds" or even "dozens" and how many of the perps were mentally ill?


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Posted 08 August 2013 - 08:29 PM

so not "hundreds" or even "dozens" and how many of the perps were mentally ill?

That is just in ten years mate. It doesn't include people like the guy killed in Hemel recently by the released double murderer. And what if that were the sum total anyway? Its still miles more than people who have been executed

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Posted 09 August 2013 - 07:05 AM

If life doesn't mean life, then why do we have a whole life terms? Also a life sentence does mean life, it just means they are eligible for parole after a period of time, not guaranteed to be released. Back in the days when we had the death penalty, did it stop murders? No, it didn't. The only way that the death sentence works as punishment is if you believe in an afterlife. If not, it's not much of a punishment, as you're not here to be punished once you're dead. In fact you could argue that the only people being punished are your loved ones. I also struggle with the dichotomy of saying that killing is wrong, so we're going to kill you. I can't get my head around that.

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Posted 09 August 2013 - 07:14 AM

How about a little evidence from those who support a change from the status quo?

As a matter of comparison, during the period when the death penalty was in force, when and how many times was it used? In addition, in those same years, how many murders and manslaughter convictions were there? How many multiple murders and repeat killings were there? What was the average sentence for convicted murderers?

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Posted 09 August 2013 - 01:46 PM

I don't have the numbers, but I am willing to bet everything I own that it is infinitely higher than the number of people executed in the UK in the last 49 years.

 

You keep telling me what a well considered viewpoint I have, yet your stance on this is to allow convicted killers to roam free killing innocent people. Just how well considered is that?

 

And before you come back with the "Put them in jail for life" defence, don't bother because it is a fantasy. It is never going to happen, and you know it. It won't stop you hiding behind it, but you do know it.

 

If you think about it, and I know you will find that difficult, your viewpoint on this is far more barbaric than mine. You are condoning the release of wild animals into society.

 

You're right I do need to deeply consider your well constructed, cohesive and logical arguments.


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