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Stuart Hall - Jailed for 15 months


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#21 ckn

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Posted 17 June 2013 - 07:32 PM

It's crazy and I don't care that he might feel hard done by, the law is an ass in this case.

 

If instead of your 3 point fine and £60, you were hit with 5 points and £100, you'd get no sympathy from anyone if you started "But, it's not fair...". It's only introduction of the word "flogging" that makes your point. And it would be absurd to flog anyone for a speeding offence at any time.

That's not the point though, if the judge had not imposed concurrency of sentences then he'd have gone down for 9 and a half years as that's what all the sentences totalled up make.

 

Edited to change 5 years to 9 years.


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Posted 17 June 2013 - 07:33 PM

Also, can the rest of you please self-moderate?  If I have to bin your posts I'll not be best pleased.


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#23 ckn

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Posted 17 June 2013 - 08:30 PM

A broad brush delete of all the posts that are dragging it off into pettiness.


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#24 Johnoco

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Posted 17 June 2013 - 08:37 PM

A pathetic sentence.

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Posted 17 June 2013 - 08:48 PM

A pathetic sentence.

I very much agree

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#26 Northern Sol

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Posted 17 June 2013 - 09:04 PM

That's not the point though, if the judge had not imposed concurrency of sentences then he'd have gone down for 9 and a half years as that's what all the sentences totalled up make.

 

Edited to change 5 years to 9 years.

And that would have been some justice but even so just because the courts didn't take this kind of crime very seriously in the "dark ages" doesn't mean that they shouldn't now.



#27 Trojan

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Posted 17 June 2013 - 09:06 PM

BBC News link

 

"Hall's barrister Crispin Aylett, in mitigation, told the court the former broadcaster had "all of 13" victims compared to Jimmy Savile's 1,300."

 

Only 13 victims, that's all right then, he should have been let off with a caution and told not to do it again.  Sometimes you have to wonder what planet barristers are on with mitigation pleas like that.

 

I'm definitely not one of the hang 'em bunch when it comes to sentencing but I'd have thought 15 months was a bit light.

 

According to Norman Tebbit Savile wasn't such a bad lad anyway

 

"I've got no doubt Jimmy Savile was a very odd fellow, and I'm pretty sure he was in breach of the law on a number of matters. But I do not know that it's possible, 40 years on, to do justice in the sense of knowing just how many of those allegations are complete and true."

His wife is nodding as he goes on: "Jimmy did a great deal of good, as well as wrong. And in anybody's life, you have to look at both sides of the ledger."

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#28 guess who

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Posted 17 June 2013 - 11:09 PM

No wonder people have no faith in the system.

 

He should hang for what he had done.



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Posted 18 June 2013 - 01:57 AM

13 victims?he must have had access to lots of children in all those years on its a knockout.15 months is not long enough, he will be out before Christmas


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#30 Derwent

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Posted 18 June 2013 - 07:43 AM

I noted in the judge's remarks that he referred to meetings between Hall's defence team and the CPS and then yesterday it emerged that charges of rape were allowed to lie on file. Lying on file means that the CPS did not drop the charges but opted not to pursue them in court. I can't help thinking that Hall's change of plea to guilty on the molestation charges was part of a deal to avoid the more serious rape charges.

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#31 amh

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Posted 18 June 2013 - 08:10 AM

or as he was sticking to not guilty on the rape charge, save the alleged victim from giving evidence?


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#32 Derwent

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Posted 18 June 2013 - 08:16 AM

 

or as he was sticking to not guilty on the rape charge, save the alleged victim from giving evidence?

Perhaps, but I suspect Hall's lawyers took advantage of the plea bargaining opportunity hence his unexpected change of plea.

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#33 Northern Sol

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Posted 18 June 2013 - 08:51 AM

or as he was sticking to not guilty on the rape charge, save the alleged victim from giving evidence?

Hard to imagine that someone capable of such despicable behaviour suddenly developed a conscience.


Edited by Northern Sol, 18 June 2013 - 08:51 AM.


#34 Futtocks

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Posted 18 June 2013 - 09:08 AM

I really hope there's some legal loophole for that sentence to be challenged.

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#35 JohnM

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Posted 18 June 2013 - 09:11 AM

I have to admit, I have never understood this issue of concurrent sentences. It's cropped up on a number of occasions..seems daft to me.

 

As for Hall's sentence, isn't this an opportunity for restorative justice to be added to his sentence, especially as I understand that the sentence is already under review?

 

see http://www.guardian....-attacks-review


Edited by JohnM, 18 June 2013 - 09:12 AM.


#36 Northern Sol

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Posted 18 June 2013 - 09:15 AM

In handing down concurrent prison sentences, the judge gave Hall "a 25% discount" for his guilty plea.

There's his motivation for "coming clean".



#37 ckn

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Posted 18 June 2013 - 09:17 AM

I have to admit, I have never understood this issue of concurrent sentences. It's cropped up on a number of occasions..seems daft to me.

 

As for Hall's sentence, isn't this an opportunity for restorative justice to be added to his sentence, especially as I understand that the sentence is already under review?

 

see http://www.guardian....-attacks-review

What makes it especially daft is that you can get 8 months for telling a lie about a speeding ticket but slightly under double that for 14 serious sexual assaults.  If you ran through three speeding cameras then you get three speeding tickets, it's never treated as one act of speeding, I can't see why they'd ever want to treat Hall's level of offences any more leniently.


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#38 Cutsyke Raiders

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Posted 18 June 2013 - 09:52 AM

Apparently if you call  Judge Russell a "fat crank" though you will instantly get 2 years

 

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Posted 18 June 2013 - 09:55 AM

Apparently if you call  Judge Russell a "fat crank" though you will instantly get 2 years

 

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To be fair, less jailed for insulting the judge more for being a total nobber.


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#40 Cutsyke Raiders

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Posted 18 June 2013 - 10:02 AM

To be fair, less jailed for insulting the judge more for being a total nobber.

Agreed, but 2 years for mild abuse and acting the goat in court? 






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