The british(3 times) and the soviet union weren't defeated in Afghanistan?
When did I say they weren't? I stated that your comment about Afghanistan never being conquered is wrong. Afghanistan for example was conquered by the armies of Arab Muslims in the 9th and 10th Centuries hence bringing Afghanistan under the Islamic Caliphate. The Mongols, the Mauryan Empire, the Persians etc have all been largely successul in controlling the country for a period of time. It is arguable that Alexander the Great actually did conquer the country, especially considering he is reverred as a National hero by Afghans.
Albeit the 80s Taliban had US supplied weaponry including Stinger missiles to help deal with pesky helicopters.
80s Taliban? Really? I hope that was an intended mistruth!
The popular Misconception deliberately put forward by the politicians and corrupt corporate media both here and in the US is that the US and to a lesser degree the UK involvement in Afghanistan only began when the US armed the "freedom" fighters after the soviet invasion. The US involvement in Afghanistan began well before the soviet invasion, it was the policy of jimmy carter and his national security advisor zbigniew brzezinski to draw the soviet union into a Vietnam style quagmire.
They began arming the Mujahdeen six months before. I wouldn't say that was specifically 'well before'. It is also common knowledge that the Soviets were arming the Communist Regime and had imbedded advisors throughout the Kabul Regime well before the Americans got involved military in any shape or form. The writing was on the wall with what would happen.
However, US involvement in Afghanistan did begin as early as the 1950s when they started to invest in the infrastructure of the country. Have a good walk around Lashkar Gah (built by the Americans) and areas such as Marjah, Nad-e-Ali, Gereshk etc and you'll see American investment. Most of the Helmand River valley was irrigated by the Americans.
Everybody repeats the story that Britain was defeated by the Afghans, it is true that Afghanistan never became a colony but the North West frontier province was annexed by the British from Afghanistan and was held. Today it is that part of Pakistan that speaks Pashtun and is run by the Pakistani Taliban but it was originally part of Afghanistan.
Yep, it is arguable they never actually tried to create a colony as per India etc. The real intent was to prevent Russian Imperialist ambitions into British India and the Indian Ocean ports. To that end, British Policy was successful. For what it's worth, the Afghans hate the Durand Line and want to annex the Pakistan Tribal Areas back to Afghan rule.
Thanks for that post ckn. For me this just reinforces the view that we should stay well away from any involvement in Syria and similar situations. We've done enough damage for one century.
We shouldn't go anywhere near Syria. Learn from your mistakes and definitely arming groups we have no real idea about would be an awful decision.
Edited by GeordieSaint, 24 June 2013 - 12:08 PM.