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#41 DeadShotKeen

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Posted 20 June 2013 - 08:07 PM

You seem to have this belief that the "big" clubs raid the "small" clubs continuously.I believe this all started when Wigan ran up a cricket score against HKR over easter this year.However you want it,there will always be "big" clubs and always be "small" clubs.Could the fact that some clubs go under be down to poor management rather than the lack of a utopia you crave so much.

If that's what you want to believe, fine. My opinion is that I could lead Leeds Rhinos to modest success at the very least, whereas the world's greatest rugby league owner/coach combo couldn't lead Hull KR or Castleford to genuine success. Those clubs have to run to stand still.

We'll have to agree to disagree.

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Posted 20 June 2013 - 08:09 PM

Given that Wakefield won the Academy GF a few seasons ago and some of those players are now in the 1st team is proof enough.

I think that's proof only that it takes much more than a good youth system to achieve success. HKR have had very fine junior sides recently but after only 1 season in the first team, Scott Taylor knew that Wigan was a better bet.

Hoist by your own petard lad.

#43 terrywebbisgod

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Posted 20 June 2013 - 08:14 PM

I think that's proof only that it takes much more than a good youth system to achieve success. HKR have had very fine junior sides recently but after only 1 season in the first team, Scott Taylor knew that Wigan was a better bet.

Hoist by your own petard lad.

Really.Wakefield are now a well run and managed club,as i have said success isn't achieved overnight.Do you know for certain why Taylor left for Wigan.And yet you only use part of my post. to try and prove you are right.


Edited by terrywebbisgod, 20 June 2013 - 08:15 PM.

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#44 DeadShotKeen

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Posted 20 June 2013 - 09:21 PM

Really.Wakefield are now a well run and managed club,as i have said success isn't achieved overnight.Do you know for certain why Taylor left for Wigan.And yet you only use part of my post. to try and prove you are right.

"Well run and managed" maybe but what does this even mean? They're no danger to your side are they? And never can be. Size matters in the modern era and they're just not big enough.

In what way have HKR not been "well run and managed"? Hudgell has spent a small fortune and Justin Morgan over-achieved in the extreme over many seasons. Sandercock has inherited a team that's about 10th best in the league on paper and has achieved roughly those results. Better just now, in fact. He's doing a good job but it's a thankless task. My hunch is that he'll be a big success when he returns to Aus and doesn't have to swim against the tide.

Taylor like the Wakey lads saw his local team as a stepping stone to a bigger side. It's that simple. And who can blame him? The system is at fault, not any of these lads. Good luck to 'em. But the league can surely only wither and die without pedigree players across all clubs. Or do you think it's in a good place right now?

#45 terrywebbisgod

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Posted 21 June 2013 - 07:36 AM

It's been better,it's been worse,given the current world economic climate,do you really think RL should be thriving.The socialist RL utopia you crave would still have winners and losers and it would in all probability be the same clubs.


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#46 markleeds

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Posted 21 June 2013 - 07:47 AM

Koukash is th man to take RL forward, people like Hetherington have had their chance and not been effective.

The game isn't going to go anywhere when people with the most control want to pay players even less but play more games.

A complete restructure needs putting in place which includes more support for London and franchising terms of 5 years.

#47 terrywebbisgod

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Posted 21 June 2013 - 07:57 AM

Koukash is th man to take RL forward, people like Hetherington have had their chance and not been effective.

The game isn't going to go anywhere when people with the most control want to pay players even less but play more games.

A complete restructure needs putting in place which includes more support for London and franchising terms of 5 years.

I don't think Koukash is the man but agree with the rest.


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#48 The Parksider

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Posted 21 June 2013 - 08:04 AM

Or are you happy complaining about the state of the game from your armchair.Clubs need money to improve facilities,set up youth structures  etc,etc,they can't do it unless they have people coming through the turnstiles.

Isn't it DSK and hundreds of thousands of other armchair fans who provide the TV audience from which SKY pay the game £90,000,000.

Isn't it the professionalising of the game through that money that gets more fans going to top games?

Isn't it the professionalising of the game that leads to rich men wanting to be a part of it.

Surely TV and it's armchair fans like DSK saved the game and now own it?

Any strong leader will put the TV audience as their priority?

#49 terrywebbisgod

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Posted 21 June 2013 - 08:38 AM

Isn't it DSK and hundreds of thousands of other armchair fans who provide the TV audience from which SKY pay the game £90,000,000.

Isn't it the professionalising of the game through that money that gets more fans going to top games?

Isn't it the professionalising of the game that leads to rich men wanting to be a part of it.

Surely TV and it's armchair fans like DSK saved the game and now own it?

Any strong leader will put the TV audience as their priority?

DIdn't DSK announce he was ditching SL when his club were beaten by Wigan and state he would have nothing more to do with SL and switch his allegiance to the NRL.

The game has been professional for a good few years now and I don't see many rich men wanting to be part of it.

As i have said do you really think a minority sport like RL(which like it or not,that's what it is) will really be thriving given the current economic climate.


Edited by terrywebbisgod, 21 June 2013 - 08:41 AM.

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#50 The Parksider

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Posted 21 June 2013 - 10:54 AM

1. DIdn't DSK announce he was ditching SL?


2. The game has been professional for a good few years now and I don't see many rich men wanting to be part of it.

 

3. Do you really think a minority sport like RL(which like it or not,that's what it is) will really be thriving given the current economic climate.

 

1. Best ask the lad himself.

 

2. Mr. Caddick, Mr. Hughes, Mr. Lenegan, Mr. Koukash, Mr. Davey, Mr. Moran, Mr. O'Connor, Mr. McManus.

 

We just need a few more.

 

3. Thriving no, surviving nicely at full time pro level is what the leadership needs to achieve first and foremost.

 

It's achievable as the growth is there in Superleague.

 

Across all the Championship clubs the decline is alarming - over 50% wiped off clubs crowds in the SL era, and I cannot see the strongest of leaders arresting that......



#51 terrywebbisgod

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Posted 21 June 2013 - 11:01 AM

It is what it is and there is not a lot the fans can do about it.


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#52 DeadShotKeen

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Posted 21 June 2013 - 11:33 AM

Not the Wigan defeat (not sure where terrywebbisgod got that from but I guess it best suits his paper thin argument) - the RFL back-track from licensing and general indecision and lack of leadership shown regarding future league structures.

To mimic someone else on here as well....Just to be clear, I have gone to a fair few games since re-engaging with Rovers in about 2008. Away games mainly but also the odd home game when back in Hull visiting. I'm an advocate of live rugby league. But not when the sport is in the indecisive shambles of present.

#53 terrywebbisgod

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Posted 21 June 2013 - 11:38 AM

Not the Wigan defeat (not sure where terrywebbisgod got that from but I guess it best suits his paper thin argument) - the RFL back-track from licensing and general indecision and lack of leadership shown regarding future league structures.

To mimic someone else on here as well....Just to be clear, I have gone to a fair few games since re-engaging with Rovers in about 2008. Away games mainly but also the odd home game when back in Hull visiting. I'm an advocate of live rugby league. But not when the sport is in the indecisive shambles of present.

Right,paper thin argument,oh dear.I think I'll leave it to the so called "experts".Enjoy the thread.


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#54 DeadShotKeen

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Posted 21 June 2013 - 11:50 AM

Right,paper thin argument,oh dear.I think I'll leave it to the so called "experts".Enjoy the thread.

Would this better constitute a "meltdown", perhaps?

#55 terrywebbisgod

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Posted 21 June 2013 - 12:01 PM

Would this better constitute a "meltdown", perhaps?

Rather than the melodramatic statement you made originally.What is your solution to the problem you think exists.So far all you have suggested is aping the NRL.How can this be acheived for a minority sport in the UK.Please enlighten me.


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#56 JohnM

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Posted 21 June 2013 - 06:57 PM

Where is Maurice when we need him?. True visionary, recognised by Aus as a real powerbroker, no coincidence Wigan dominance and almost competitive GB side.

#57 JohnM

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Posted 21 June 2013 - 07:01 PM

Aping the NRL would be good. They are better than us in all respects.

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Posted 23 June 2013 - 11:01 AM

And the more Origin games I watch on Premier, the more I think: just get the Aussies in here, now..today..this very minute... to review, advise, and drive the necessary changes, which are not structural in my view but cultural almost. If Woods and co are not good enough, then lets have an Aussie leader, too.



#59 The Parksider

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Posted 23 June 2013 - 11:51 AM

Where is Maurice when we need him?. True visionary, recognised by Aus as a real powerbroker, no coincidence Wigan dominance and almost competitive GB side.

 

He tried to get the game to radically change over to one elite professional league with as many of the resources as possible into that league with no two clubs fighting for the same fans and players.

 

Easy to berate him because his hopes of RL being adopted by sports investors in big cities and new places, didn't come off (he never said they would).

 

But his leadership was fundamentally rejected as the clubs grabbed the TV money to to keep the old village set up alive. Who would want to lead a game that will not be led into the 21st. Century.

 

The breakdown of Superleague with the resultant crutch of letting the top 8 have their own competition whilst "championshipising" half a dozen SL clubs who won't play ball, as a sop to the last few vestiges of independant championship clubs, is leadership at it's weakest.

 

But perhaps Mr. Wood is aware that now the game can't even get a leading sponsor, his resignation may leave the game without any leader at all. Who would want to inherit the mess we have?



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Posted 23 June 2013 - 06:23 PM

I don't often post and don't profess to know all of the answers and I hate sounding negative but I've had enough.

I've had enough of the outright lies from the RFL, call it spin if you will but I don't, (the debacle of northampton rebels and the following lies by Ralph Rimmer are my personal gripe) of which there are many.

I've had enough of the mockery the sport endures as a result of poor leadership decisions. The duel reg / stobart / licensing fiascos are just the tip of the iceberg.

I'm furious that the sport England money was wasted in jobs for pals and junior participation is going backward at a rate of knots with the extinction of community coach's.

I'm embarrassed that the World Cup hasn't even sorted regarding sponsorship and marketing yet.

I don't even know / understand what the hell these two are now trying to do with the restructure of SL but I'm convinced its not for the good of the game.

If I the average fan would like to start a motion to rid the game of the two people who in my opinion are taking the game to the point of extinction where would I start? Are there any RL fans who know enough about the by-laws of the RFL where I could start to make my case and move forward? Would anyone want to help?

Now I realise that I could be on a deluded one man crusade but I don't think I am. I talk to people who are directly employed by the RFL (whom I genuinely believe have no agenda) I talk to long suffering fans, I even talk to long serving referees, they all say the same thing, there is no confidence in these two people and good people are walking away from the game, but unless someone does something about it we will only have ourselves to blame.

I'm a stalwart of RL, it's in my blood and part of my history. One thing this sport has taught me is that this is the people's game and IMO these two aren't for the sport or for the people. At best they are inept at worst they're agents for the RFU (I've genuinely considered that crazy notion.) either way they are stealing a living.

I'm not here to debate their pro's and cons, I've just had enough, I don't feel safe in the knowledge that I'll be able to take my kids to a game in 20 years and hence my outrage.

Can anyone / does anyone want to help? We shouldn't have to put up with this ######, they are treating the people of this sport like idiots. if the RL was its own country I've had protested on the street by now.




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