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#101 Wolford6

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Posted 01 July 2013 - 04:55 PM

Presumably, this lot are getting help from our government.

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#102 GeordieSaint

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Posted 01 July 2013 - 06:51 PM

Also Russia didn't invade south ossetia and Abkhazia, it was georgia that were the aggressors they fired the first shot according to an EU Independant international fact finding mission headed by Swiss diplomat Heidi tagliavini. Finally south Ossetia declared independence from Georgia in 1990 and Abkhazia in 1992.

 

South Ossetia and Abkhazia are still seen by the vast majority of the world to be Georgian territory, not independent states. So Russia certainly did invade, not matter who fired this first shot.


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#103 walter sobchak

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Posted 01 July 2013 - 07:32 PM

Presumably, this lot are getting help from our government.
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Exactly, it's total madness. bashar al-Assad is no doubt a brutal dictator buts he's a thousand times better than these maniacs.

#104 walter sobchak

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Posted 01 July 2013 - 07:41 PM

South Ossetia and Abkhazia are still seen by the vast majority of the world to be Georgian territory, not independent states. So Russia certainly did invade, not matter who fired this first shot.


The majority of people in south Ossetia and Abkhazia have Russian passports therefore when Georgia shelled the south Ossetian capital Tskhinvali Russia was compelled to protect its citizens by military force, and they did and won a clear decisive victory.

#105 GeordieSaint

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Posted 01 July 2013 - 07:51 PM

The majority of people in south Ossetia and Abkhazia have Russian passports therefore when Georgia shelled the south Ossetian capital Tskhinvali Russia was compelled to protect its citizens by military force, and they did and won a clear decisive victory.

 

Are you intentionally trolling?


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#106 walter sobchak

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Posted 01 July 2013 - 07:56 PM

Are you intentionally trolling?


Nope, just laying out the facts.

#107 GeordieSaint

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Posted 01 July 2013 - 08:23 PM

Nope, just laying out the facts.

 

Interesting and pretty ironic.

 

The Russians have built their 'domination' of the Caucaus area through conquest, invasion, the displacement and immigration of peoples, and murder for hundreds of years. Russian actions in the Caucaus are ironically not too dissimilar (arguably far worse) to those of the Israelis who you detest.

 

To that end, you are not worth debating with as you are incredibly one eyed in my opinion.


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#108 Li0nhead

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Posted 01 July 2013 - 10:21 PM

The majority of people in south Ossetia and Abkhazia have Russian passports therefore when Georgia shelled the south Ossetian capital Tskhinvali Russia was compelled to protect its citizens by military force, and they did and won a clear decisive victory.

 

Now change a few words like 'Russia' to 'Israel' and the locations switch and say i posted this you would be disagreeing with Israels actions in defending their own citizens. 



#109 Northern Sol

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Posted 01 July 2013 - 10:23 PM

Of course the difference between Hamas and Hezbollah compared to say the contras is that Hamas and hezbollah are legitimate resistance organizations fighting the occupation of their land and are part of the political process in both Lebanon and Palestine. with Hezbollah having 14 democratically elected seats in the parliament of Lebanon and Hamas being democratically elected into office in 2006 while the contras funded illegally by the US(Iran-contra) were right wing thugs trying to overthrow a democratically elected government in Nicaragua by violent means.

 

Of course the difference between Hamas and Hezbollah compared to say the contras is that Hamas and hezbollah are legitimate resistance organizations fighting the occupation of their land and are part of the political process in both Lebanon and Palestine. with Hezbollah having 14 democratically elected seats in the parliament of Lebanon and Hamas being democratically elected into office in 2006 while the contras funded illegally by the US(Iran-contra) were right wing thugs trying to overthrow a democratically elected government in Nicaragua by violent means.

Of course Hamas and Hezbollah certainly aren't trying to overthrow the democratically elected government of Israel...

 

And before you talk about elections in Lebanon, you might want to look up the word "confessionalism" - it would be more accurate to say that they are allocated seats.



#110 Northern Sol

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Posted 01 July 2013 - 10:27 PM

LOL, that's a good one, "They don't have the power projection." That'll be china with the worlds 2nd largest economy, that'll be china with the 2nd biggest defence budget of $166 billion, that'll be china with a standing army of 1.7 million active soldiers and 800,000 reservists and Russia with the 10th largest economy, 3rd biggest defence budget of $91 billion and with a standing army of 1 million active soldiers and 2 million reservists. Also Russia didn't invade south ossetia and Abkhazia, it was georgia that were the aggressors they fired the first shot according to an EU Independant international fact finding mission headed by Swiss diplomat Heidi tagliavini. Finally south Ossetia declared independence from Georgia in 1990 and Abkhazia in 1992.

I'm sorry but it's pretty clear that you don't understand what "power projection" means. It means that you can fight wars on an entirely different continent (as an example). The USA is able to do this because it has a vast navy and airforce both of which are lacked by China (in particular the navy). Even the UK and France have more power projection than China. China could not fight a war outside East Asia.

 

And you are displaying a lack of knowledge with regard to Russia and Georgia. "Declaring independence" does not make a country independent; those territories may not have wanted to be part of Georgia but legally that's what they were. And regardless of who fired the first shot, they were invaded, occupied and annexed by Russia.



#111 Northern Sol

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Posted 01 July 2013 - 10:29 PM

Interesting and pretty ironic.

 

The Russians have built their 'domination' of the Caucaus area through conquest, invasion, the displacement and immigration of peoples, and murder for hundreds of years. Russian actions in the Caucaus are ironically not too dissimilar (arguably far worse) to those of the Israelis who you detest.

 

To that end, you are not worth debating with as you are incredibly one eyed in my opinion.

Not too mention lacking in basic knowledge of world history. All his "facts" seem to come from Galloway speeches.



#112 Marauder

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Posted 01 July 2013 - 11:21 PM

Not too mention lacking in basic knowledge of world history. All his "facts" seem to come from Galloway speeches.

And he has invaded Bradford.


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#113 Wolford6

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Posted 02 July 2013 - 08:28 AM

And he has invaded Bradford.

 

 

Much against my preconceptions, George Galloway is doing a pretty good job.


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#114 JohnM

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Posted 03 July 2013 - 08:04 AM

THIS is why not!!!






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