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#41 Cliff Spracklen

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Posted 02 July 2013 - 05:55 PM

Aren't they the same thing?

 

Aren't they the same thing?

Not quite. Many Supporters Trust members tend to be RL  fans who are looking to have a say or exert some kind of influence on their club, and in many cases look to have a share in the ownership, and at places like Bramley, Hunslet and Rochdale, for example, actually own the club. Football has embraced the concept  much more than RL but it  is growing in RL, witness developments at Hemel Stags and Mancunians. But the meeting organised by Supporters Direct is I understand open to all RL fans, whether members of Supporters Trusts or not.   



#42 Gav Wilson

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Posted 02 July 2013 - 05:59 PM

Are you referring to rugby league fans and/or supporters trusts here?

 

The fans Cliff, but it was also a light hearted joke too...


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#43 Cliff Spracklen

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Posted 02 July 2013 - 06:44 PM

The fans Cliff, but it was also a light hearted joke too...

Fair enough Gav. I was probably being a bit over sensitive and missed the smiley. There are a few in the game, perhaps more so than in football, who see Supporters Trusts as a kind of "reds under the beds" socialist fifth column. Equally there are those who see fans as having greater ownership, or a democratic vote as ok for the very small, but irrelevant to larger clubs, to which my answer is usually a loud Barcelona or Bayern Munich! ;)  Anyway look forward to my next visit to the Knights. 



#44 Gav Wilson

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Posted 02 July 2013 - 06:54 PM

Fair enough Gav. I was probably being a bit over sensitive and missed the smiley. There are a few in the game, perhaps more so than in football, who see Supporters Trusts as a kind of "reds under the beds" socialist fifth column. Equally there are those who see fans as having greater ownership, or a democratic vote as ok for the very small, but irrelevant to larger clubs, to which my answer is usually a loud Barcelona or Bayern Munich! ;)  Anyway look forward to my next visit to the Knights. 

 

I think its Supporter's Trusts are a great way to go for a lot of clubs, a mate of mine applied for a job at the RFL to help develop them a few years ago so I got to learn a fair bit while helping him research the role.

 

I look forward to having a beer with you soon Cliff, either at the Knights or the Akkies! :)


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#45 The Parksider

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Posted 02 July 2013 - 09:59 PM

Lets do the maths for Championship clubs

 

13 Home fixtures averaging a gate of 3,500 = 45,500 spectators through the gate each season.

 

50% as full paying adults @ £15 per head = £341,250.00

50% as Concessions @ £5 per head = £113,750.00

 

Total home gate revenue of £455,000.00

 

TV Money £732,562.50 + £455,000.00 = £1,187,562.50

 

You can then take in to account merchandise, commercial opportunities, match day hospitality revenue, sponsorship etc etc, giving you a stable foundation to build a solid club if managed appropriately on and off the field in preparation to compete at a higher level should the opportunity present itself.

 

Sorry you were insulted by the poster above.

 

As you invited discussion could you note that the 2 bottom SL clubs and the 10 championship clubs below them averaged just over 2,000 fans last season.

 

Your gate money is optimistic.

 

I don't understand your SKY money because AFAIK Sky will only pay £180K to championship clubs in the proposed set up. If you revise your figures to these realities then SKY & gate money for Championship clubs = £440K

 

Of course add other revenues but the clubs turnovers are likely to be under £1,000,000 a year which they are now.

 

Superleague clubs turnovers are in the range of £3,200,000 to £6,500,000.

 

In reality the gulf is massive



#46 The Parksider

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Posted 02 July 2013 - 10:03 PM

 

"Please be aware that whilst the RFL is happy to listen to the views of the RLSA(A)........The ultimate decision on league structure will be decided by the RFL’s independent Board of Directors(B)".

 

Back on topic, what price A influencing B more than C the big superleague clubs?


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#47 sweaty craiq

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Posted 02 July 2013 - 10:04 PM

Get Lewis back he will turn the mess he left into a fatality in no time

#48 JohnM

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Posted 02 July 2013 - 10:38 PM

So how would you decide which SL clubs are relegated to get the number down to 12 or 10? Is that not going to be decided by a points based relegation system?

 

Why would anyone want to do anything that daft? 



#49 JohnM

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Posted 02 July 2013 - 10:46 PM

I think you are wrong on this. Everyone i know who is interested in RL wants a return to P&R, whether or not they are a fan of a SL club or a Championship club.

Where is you evidence up suggest that the majority of people don't want a return to single season P&R?

 

 I certainly  don't want a return to P and R. I am interested in Rugby League, though I do doubt that you know me. 

 

The flaw in the argument is that I do not need to provide evidence. The original assertion, a bit like yours, is the one that need suppotting by evidence.

 

in post #8, Lobby boldly asserted, without a shred of evidenceClubs and fans outside SL hate the current system! It is deeply unpopular - far more so than any system prior to 2008.. I dont recall a massive hatred of automatic P&R. The only person I can think of who didnt like it was Stevo, but then he is obsessed by the Australian system.



#50 amh

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Posted 03 July 2013 - 06:25 AM

Back on topic, what price A influencing B more than C the big superleague clubs?

 

C will have their way or cause a big stink if they don't - IMO


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