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#41 deluded pom?

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Posted 07 July 2013 - 08:27 PM

One of the bet things about the 2008 World Cup was the smaller countries going at it full tilt.

That's always the best part of a WC for me.

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Posted 07 July 2013 - 11:27 PM

That's always the best part of a WC for me.


Well it is much better to watch PNG and Samoa go at it hammer and tongs or Wales and France scrap over a tight game than to watch a second tier side get walloped by 50 points by one of the big boys.

The flaw with the current 4 Nations format is that it reduces the number tier 1 v tier 1 Test matches and introducing an uncompetitive 4th team. I would much prefer to watch France v Wales than either of them playing England. What all sport needs is realistic competition and unpredictability of outcome

Wales should play an annual three match series against the French and to a proper rivalry going and to give both countries an international focus.

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Posted 08 July 2013 - 04:01 PM

Well it is much better to watch PNG and Samoa go at it hammer and tongs or Wales and France scrap over a tight game than to watch a second tier side get walloped by 50 points by one of the big boys.

The flaw with the current 4 Nations format is that it reduces the number tier 1 v tier 1 Test matches and introducing an uncompetitive 4th team. I would much prefer to watch France v Wales than either of them playing England. What all sport needs is realistic competition and unpredictability of outcome

Wales should play an annual three match series against the French and to a proper rivalry going and to give both countries an international focus.

 

Interesting point because the players will say that it is important for them to play the best nations to improve. Need to get the right balance between the big nations playing each other in highly competitive matches (ie the best against the best) and an opportunity for development for the other nations to get their moment in the sun.



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Posted 08 July 2013 - 08:38 PM

Interesting point because the players will say that it is important for them to play the best nations to improve. Need to get the right balance between the big nations playing each other in highly competitive matches (ie the best against the best) and an opportunity for development for the other nations to get their moment in the sun.

 

I can't see how Wales getting slapped by 50 points in one off Tests against New Zealand and Australia does them more good than a series of tight matches against an opponent of similar quality.

 

The Tri Nations format when Wales and France provided the warm up opponents for the big three seemed to be the best structure. The big three got two matches against each other whilst the Wales, France, PNG etc got to play the big boys as warm up fixtures. 



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Posted 09 July 2013 - 12:12 PM

How can we emulate Cricket's sponsorship performance when we don't have the vibrant international scene that cricket, RU and football have. The RFL are striving to introduce more vibrancy into the sport with the changes they are likely to introduce. If they're successful then maybe sponsors will be more likely to support an exciting and intense competition rather than the sterile one which licensing has produced. Hope that makes things a little clearer for you

 

You think that allowing Featherstone, Leigh and Halifax back into the elite fold will create “intense competition”?
 
Did the last 20 years not happen in your world?


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Posted 09 July 2013 - 02:15 PM

 

You think that allowing Featherstone, Leigh and Halifax back into the elite fold will create “intense competition”?
 
Did the last 20 years not happen in your world?

 

go on then, remind us of all the great achievements in british rugby league in the last 20 years.


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Posted 09 July 2013 - 02:45 PM

One major difference with P & R now having had licensing is that whereas under the old system clubs just went broke and into Administration etc. Recently clubs going broke, ie Widnes, Bradford and Salford(who didn't go into admin) where all bought by non Rugby League business men.
They knew that with a 3 year licence priod they had time to turn around a club in that time both on and off the field.
That wouldn't have happened with P & R and all three could have eventually gone into liquidation.
Bringing back P & R would be a disaster.

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Posted 09 July 2013 - 03:19 PM

One major difference with P & R now having had licensing is that whereas under the old system clubs just went broke and into Administration etc. Recently clubs going broke, ie Widnes, Bradford and Salford(who didn't go into admin) where all bought by non Rugby League business men.
They knew that with a 3 year licence priod they had time to turn around a club in that time both on and off the field.
That wouldn't have happened with P & R and all three could have eventually gone into liquidation.
Bringing back P & R would be a disaster.


Widnes went bust whilst in the 2nd tier, Bradford were only given a license for 1 year.

#49 l'angelo mysterioso

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Posted 09 July 2013 - 04:19 PM

go on then, remind us of all the great achievements in british rugby league in the last 20 years.

Growth in attendances

Growth in geographical spread- see championship one

Clubs conducting themselves in a more professional way including yours

More and better tv coverage

Runners up in the 4 nations having beaten the world champions to get there

High class young players coming to prominence- hence NRL clubs recruit them

And whether you like it or not financial stability: one shudders to think what would have happened during the recession if clubs were run like they were

Between 1973 and 1993 ie the previous twenty years how many great achievements were there in rugby league in this country? After a them wot days

The sport has major problems and challenges
many of them going back to 1895
I would suggest that for all its faults the way the game is run now is better than the era the self serving victim centred parochial it's whinge about returning to

Edit: and here's to a successful and enjoyable World Cup I don't think a small group of narrow minded whingers will be missed

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#50 l'angelo mysterioso

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Posted 09 July 2013 - 04:19 PM

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Edited by l'angelo mysterioso, 09 July 2013 - 04:22 PM.

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#51 oldrover

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Posted 09 July 2013 - 04:45 PM

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this post much more sensible than the previous one


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#52 l'angelo mysterioso

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Posted 09 July 2013 - 05:01 PM

this post much more sensible than the previous one

And this one as pathetic as your previous one


I had the good grace to answer your question
It's a pity but unsurprising that you are unable to provide a grown up response
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Posted 09 July 2013 - 05:59 PM

And this one as pathetic as your previous one


I had the good grace to answer your question
It's a pity but unsurprising that you are unable to provide a grown up response

i apologise. i thought your response was a poor attempt at sarcasm


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Posted 09 July 2013 - 06:03 PM

i apologise. i thought your response was a poor attempt at sarcasm

And that's a poor attempt at a response
You aren't much cop at humour either
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#55 oldrover

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Posted 09 July 2013 - 06:43 PM

And that's a poor attempt at a response
You aren't much cop at humour either

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#56 l'angelo mysterioso

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Posted 09 July 2013 - 06:46 PM

One major difference with P & R now having had licensing is that whereas under the old system clubs just went broke and into Administration etc. Recently clubs going broke, ie Widnes, Bradford and Salford(who didn't go into admin) where all bought by non Rugby League business men.
They knew that with a 3 year licence priod they had time to turn around a club in that time both on and off the field.
That wouldn't have happened with P & R and all three could have eventually gone into liquidation.
Bringing back P & R would be a disaster.

Good call
Having it in the first place was a disaster
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#57 Terry Mullaney

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Posted 09 July 2013 - 07:20 PM

You think that allowing Featherstone, Leigh and Halifax back into the elite fold will create “intense competition”?
 
Did the last 20 years not happen in your world?

It's got absolutely nothing to do with allowing Fev, Leigh and Fax back onto the elite. There's no guarantee any of them will qualify. It's about the nature of the competition and the intensity it will generate.

You've made more comebacks than Frank Sinatra, sadly.
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#58 l'angelo mysterioso

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Posted 09 July 2013 - 07:45 PM

It's got absolutely nothing to do with allowing Fev, Leigh and Fax back onto the elite. There's no guarantee any of them will qualify. It's about the nature of the competition and the intensity it will generate.

You've made more comebacks than Frank Sinatra, sadly.

And the super league clubs are behind it all apparently
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#59 Terry Mullaney

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Posted 09 July 2013 - 07:53 PM

And the super league clubs are behind it all apparently


Enough of them hopefully
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#60 l'angelo mysterioso

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Posted 09 July 2013 - 07:59 PM

[quote name="Terry Mullaney" post="2742263" timestamp="1373399608"]

Enough of them hopefully[/quote
Hopefully?
You were pretty certain a couple of days ago
And it was 'the clubs' and it was all their idea.
Or am I being pedantic?
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