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#41 deluded pom?

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Posted 09 July 2013 - 06:28 AM

I hope people realise that the return game in the USA is being played at the same time and in the same city as the Philadelphia Fight v Jax game. A sure fire way to limit the size of the crowd if ever there was one. The AMNRL will be lucky to get a couple of hundred to their game. How to blow your chances of promoting the sport on the back of your first WC appearance lesson #412.

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Posted 09 July 2013 - 10:15 AM

I hope people realise that the return game in the USA is being played at the same time and in the same city as the Philadelphia Fight v Jax game. A sure fire way to limit the size of the crowd if ever there was one. The AMNRL will be lucky to get a couple of hundred to their game. How to blow your chances of promoting the sport on the back of your first WC appearance lesson #412.

Wow, just wow. Out of interest what kind of attendace would Philadelphia Fight v Jax get?


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#43 Just to be clear

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Posted 09 July 2013 - 12:06 PM

I hope people realise that the return game in the USA is being played at the same time and in the same city as the Philadelphia Fight v Jax game.


Just to be clear, well that would be terrible scheduling for sure, but the two play 15 miles apart, the same sort of distance as Wigan and Warrington or Bradford and Huddersfield. And in different states.

Rugby league fans may have their loyalties split, but for both in trying to attract the general public in their local communities there would be no overlap.

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Posted 09 July 2013 - 12:31 PM

Just to be clear, well that would be terrible scheduling for sure, but the two play 15 miles apart, the same sort of distance as Wigan and Warrington or Bradford and Huddersfield. And in different states.

Rugby league fans may have their loyalties split, but for both in trying to attract the general public in their local communities there would be no overlap.

Please try and be more clear, I don't understand your argument as to why it's not a bad thing


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#45 thirteenthman

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Posted 09 July 2013 - 01:06 PM

Please try and be more clear, I don't understand your argument as to why it's not a bad thing

 

Clear as mud if you ask me. ;)

 

I don't really follow the game in the US but from what I've read elsewhere, the US v Canada game is in Philadelphia on the same day as the USARL Final, but one appears to be a 3pm kick off and the other is at 7pm - maybe I've got that wrong? But they both appear to take place in the same city, but in grounds 15 miles apart. If both games are taking place at the same time, I doubt the RL community in Philly is big enough to warrant splitting it between 2 matches.



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Posted 09 July 2013 - 01:43 PM

Please try and be more clear, I don't understand your argument as to why it's not a bad thing


Nor do I. Just to be clear, did you think "terrible scheduling" was meant as a positive?

But they both appear to take place in the same city, but in grounds 15 miles apart.


The Phildadelphia Fight's home ground is in a western suburb of the city while the Tomahawks current 'home ground' is Campbell's Field in Camden, New Jersey to the east. Which is just across the Delaware River from downtown Philadelphia.

I do not know the details, and maybe it is just petty squabbling between the AMNRL and USARL, but I guess things like ground availability may be a factor, just as they are here. Campbell's Field is home to a minor league baseball team so they would have been limited to the weekends when they were on a road trip.

Not a good thing, but in trying to attract local people to come and try a game of rugby league they would be targetting different communities.

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Posted 09 July 2013 - 02:06 PM

Nor do I. Just to be clear, did you think "terrible scheduling" was meant as a positive?The Phildadelphia Fight's home ground is in a western suburb of the city while the Tomahawks current 'home ground' is Campbell's Field in Camden, New Jersey to the east. Which is just across the Delaware River from downtown Philadelphia.I do not know the details, and maybe it is just petty squabbling between the AMNRL and USARL, but I guess things like ground availability may be a factor, just as they are here. Campbell's Field is home to a minor league baseball team so they would have been limited to the weekends when they were on a road trip.Not a good thing, but in trying to attract local people to come and try a game of rugby league they would be targetting different communities.


I don't think that game 2 of the Colonial cup is being played at Campbell's field. That was just for one WCQ game a couple of years back. Last years home (USA) colonial cup game was played in Fairfield, CT on a high school field I believe.

The CRL website states the game is in Philadlephia, game tbc.

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Posted 09 July 2013 - 03:15 PM

a friend of mine (a soccerball fan who knows nowt about RL) has just returned from Toronto, he was amazed at the number off billboards plugging the game and said there was a full page spread in the Toronto daily paper.


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Posted 09 July 2013 - 03:17 PM

a friend of mine (a soccerball fan who knows nowt about RL) has just returned from Toronto, he was amazed at the number off billboards plugging the game and said there was a full page spread in the Toronto daily paper.

Lets all move to Canada.


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Posted 09 July 2013 - 03:32 PM

a friend of mine (a soccerball fan who knows nowt about RL) has just returned from Toronto, he was amazed at the number off billboards plugging the game and said there was a full page spread in the Toronto daily paper.

Wow, that's good! :)

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#51 thirteenthman

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Posted 09 July 2013 - 04:40 PM

The Phildadelphia Fight's home ground is in a western suburb of the city while the Tomahawks current 'home ground' is Campbell's Field in Camden, New Jersey to the east. Which is just across the Delaware River from downtown Philadelphia.

 

 

I don't think that game 2 of the Colonial cup is being played at Campbell's field. That was just for one WCQ game a couple of years back. Last years home (USA) colonial cup game was played in Fairfield, CT on a high school field I believe.

The CRL website states the game is in Philadlephia, game tbc.

 

I thought the US were perhaps playing at Charles Martin Memorial Stadium in Philadelphia?



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Posted 09 July 2013 - 05:22 PM

Just to be clear, well that would be terrible scheduling for sure, but the two play 15 miles apart, the same sort of distance as Wigan and Warrington or Bradford and Huddersfield. And in different states.

Rugby league fans may have their loyalties split, but for both in trying to attract the general public in their local communities there would be no overlap.

Just to be clear it's also about the players too. It's an easy way to not select USARL players involved in their GF. The USARL players would be torn between playing for their country or to play alongside the guys they've played with all season in the GF. That's of course IF any USARL players are even considered for the Colonial Cup games. Akarika Dawn being the exception but it will be interesting to see what he does if Jax make the GF. The USARL GF date was released prior to the USA v Canada game being arranged. Coincidence?


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#53 welshmagpie

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Posted 09 July 2013 - 05:30 PM

I thought the US were perhaps playing at Charles Martin Memorial Stadium in Philadelphia?


It makes sense for that to be right. What's the name of the fights ground?

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Posted 09 July 2013 - 05:32 PM

It makes sense for that to be right. What's the name of the fights ground?

http://www.fightrugb...m/club/stadium/


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#55 thirteenthman

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Posted 09 July 2013 - 05:54 PM

Just to be clear it's also about the players too. It's an easy way to not select USARL players involved in their GF. The USARL players would be torn between playing for their country or to play alongside the guys they've played with all season in the GF. That's of course IF any USARL players are even considered for the Colonial Cup games. Akarika Dawn being the exception but it will be interesting to see what he does if Jax make the GF. The USARL GF date was released prior to the USA v Canada game being arranged. Coincidence?

 

Why was Akarika Dawn picked as I thought they don't normally pick anyone from the USARL?

 

Mind boggling to think that petty politics will come before picking the best squad, particularly in a World Cup year. I'm assuming they're confident of finding plenty of heritage players for the WC.

 

Just a pity the RLIF doesn't have some teeth and were able to put some kind of sanctions in place to try and force the issue.



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Posted 09 July 2013 - 06:01 PM

Why was Akarika Dawn picked as I thought they don't normally pick anyone from the USARL?

 

Mind boggling to think that petty politics will come before picking the best squad, particularly in a World Cup year. I'm assuming they're confident of finding plenty of heritage players for the WC.

 

Just a pity the RLIF doesn't have some teeth and were able to put some kind of sanctions in place to try and force the issue.

Dawn left the USARL team Jax so he could play for the Tomahawks. He was registered with an AMNRL team that didn't even play a game (either the Fairfield Crocs or the Atlanta Legion) and probably never even existed. Maybe this is a reward for his loyalty even though he's back in the USARL. Tomahawks captain for the last few years, Apple Pope, did something similar but was registered with the Pensylvania Bulls (David Niu's team) but seeing as he works in Jacksonville he only ever played RL whilst captaining the Tomahawks!


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Posted 09 July 2013 - 07:00 PM

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#58 Just to be clear

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Posted 09 July 2013 - 08:52 PM

I thought the US were perhaps playing at Charles Martin Memorial Stadium in Philadelphia?


Just to be clear, I was lead to believe it was Camden Fields again (which was marketed as Philadelphia previously), though cannot remember where from. The distance between the Northeast High School and the Fight is only a few miles closer and still different communities.

But as big a problem as the clash with the USARL is the complete lack of publicity for the Colonial Cup fixture that we cannot check anywhere to confirm. Philadelphia is just too vague. It is the 5th biggest city in the US, and the name can just as easily apply to suburbs as it does with Camden, NJ, which is much closer to downtown Philadelphia than any of the other stadiums mentioned.

How do they expect to attract anyone when no one can find out where they will be playing? Meanwhile in Canada they are already selling tickets to the final match of the series. Even if the AMNRL are scheduling it as a peeing contest they are still in the shadow of the USARL final with seemingly no publicity for the international match. The Canadians seem so much more professional in every way.

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Posted 09 July 2013 - 08:58 PM

The Canadians seem so much more professional in every way.

Sad but very very true.

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Posted 09 July 2013 - 10:15 PM

Dawn left the USARL team Jax so he could play for the Tomahawks. He was registered with an AMNRL team that didn't even play a game (either the Fairfield Crocs or the Atlanta Legion) and probably never even existed. Maybe this is a reward for his loyalty even though he's back in the USARL. Tomahawks captain for the last few years, Apple Pope, did something similar but was registered with the Pensylvania Bulls (David Niu's team) but seeing as he works in Jacksonville he only ever played RL whilst captaining the Tomahawks!

 

Thanks for the explanation. Bizarre that they'd make up a team just to make it appear that he plays in the AMNRL. You really couldn't make it up.






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