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#81 Wolford6

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Posted 09 July 2013 - 09:55 PM

Of course Hebden Bridge is well known for its lesbian scene:

 

Bleeding killjoys.

 

http://www.hebdenbri...festival.co.uk/


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#82 EdinburghExile

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Posted 09 July 2013 - 10:54 PM

Well done everyone for getting to page five without getting locked.

 

I'm quite enjoying this thread, even more pleased that my quiz had a team with an anti-Inverdale name tonight (it doesn't take much to please me). Maybe the tide has turned, people!



#83 WearyRhino

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Posted 09 July 2013 - 11:07 PM

I know what you are saying but I don't believe feminists want equality but dominance.


Sorry but the last half of your sentence disproves the first. A 'feminist' who wants domination isn't a feminist at all.

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#84 Johnoco

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Posted 10 July 2013 - 05:59 AM

Sorry but the last half of your sentence disproves the first. A 'feminist' who wants domination isn't a feminist at all.

But they seem to be the ones setting the agenda.
Anarchists don't believe in disorder and chaos but that is exactly what would ensue under such a 'system'. The reality from what it says on the manifesto is always different.

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#85 l'angelo mysterioso

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Posted 10 July 2013 - 07:57 AM

Only when doing the decking. I believe at the heart of feminism, (not a few radical sistas) lies a desire for women to 'pay men back' and be the dominant, not equa,l party.

you've been watching your two ronnies box set again haven't you?


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#86 Severus

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Posted 10 July 2013 - 08:56 AM

Only when doing the decking. I believe at the heart of feminism, (not a few radical sistas) lies a desire for women to 'pay men back' and be the dominant, not equa,l party.


Sorry to repeat myself but what you describe isn't feminism. Some people who have those views may call themselves feminists but by the definition of the word they are not. The only word I know to describe them would be misandrists.
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#87 Wolford6

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Posted 10 July 2013 - 10:04 AM

The only word I know to describe them would be misandrists.

 

Or 'fat birds in polo shirts and jeans'

 

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#88 Wolford6

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Posted 10 July 2013 - 10:15 AM

Seriously, I don't think there are any notable or influential hard line feminists any more are there? The battle has already been won and, in most instances, needed to be won.

 

You can legislate how ever much you like but men and women will always rate each other on a sliding scale of physical attraction.

What Inverdale said was unprofessional ...  which is a different "offence" ... and betrayed a lack of class in his demeanour.

 

With regard to working opportunities. Just about every organisation I deal with has a woman as Head or Deputy Head of Human Resources, so, unless other factors are introduced (yes Bradford Council, I'm talking about you), appointment and promotion should be on an impartial and equal basis.


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#89 getdownmonkeyman

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Posted 10 July 2013 - 10:15 AM

Sorry but the last half of your sentence disproves the first. A 'feminist' who wants domination isn't a feminist at all.

 

Dominatrix?



#90 l'angelo mysterioso

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Posted 10 July 2013 - 10:24 AM

Seriously, I don't think there are any notable or influential hard line feminists any more are there? The battle has already been won

very far from thje truth on both counts.

you'd certainly get an argument on your first point from the governor of Texas.

And as for the battle being won, you must be kidding.


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#91 Severus

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Posted 10 July 2013 - 12:26 PM

very far from thje truth on both counts.
you'd certainly get an argument on your first point from the governor of Texas.
And as for the battle being won, you must be kidding.


I'm not so sure. In the UK we have clear anti discrimination laws that specifically state that, among other things, you cannot discriminate on the basis of gender. You will always have sexist people like you will always have racist and homophobic people, but in terms of rights, isn't it now fairly equal?
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#92 gingerjon

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Posted 10 July 2013 - 12:40 PM

I'm not so sure. In the UK we have clear anti discrimination laws that specifically state that, among other things, you cannot discriminate on the basis of gender. You will always have sexist people like you will always have racist and homophobic people, but in terms of rights, isn't it now fairly equal?

 

I believe in the UK it is.  There are issues that still need to be addressed, and countered.  But, for me, they include the complete and total lack of male primary school teachers as much as the comparative absence of women from mathematics.  Society does judge men and women differently and have differing expectations - but I do also think that's changing and is mostly heading in the right direction.

 

In terms of rights though, as in legally framed and enforceable equality, I'm not sure there's owt missing gender-wise.


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#93 l'angelo mysterioso

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Posted 10 July 2013 - 01:10 PM

I believe in the UK it is. There are issues that still need to be addressed, and countered. But, for me, they include the complete and total lack of male primary school teachers as much as the comparative absence of women from mathematics. Society does judge men and women differently and have differing expectations - but I do also think that's changing and is mostly heading in the right direction.

In terms of rights though, as in legally framed and enforceable equality, I'm not sure there's owt missing gender-wise.

Sexist attitudes are rife no matter what laws we have: which as you say are comprehensive

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#94 Severus

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Posted 10 July 2013 - 02:48 PM

I believe in the UK it is. There are issues that still need to be addressed, and countered. But, for me, they include the complete and total lack of male primary school teachers as much as the comparative absence of women from mathematics. Society does judge men and women differently and have differing expectations - but I do also think that's changing and is mostly heading in the right direction.

In terms of rights though, as in legally framed and enforceable equality, I'm not sure there's owt missing gender-wise.


Interesting you should mention mathematics (I'm assuming you mean teachers). The gender split on our course is pretty much 50:50 so something must be happening to prevent female maths teachers getting posts. Wether that is a lack of interest in the profession from women or the recruitment policies if schools I don't know.
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Posted 10 July 2013 - 03:57 PM

Society does judge men and women differently and have differing expectations - but I do also think that's changing and is mostly heading in the right direction.



Which is, of course, the crux of the matter.

In terms of rights though, as in legally framed and enforceable equality, I'm not sure there's owt missing gender-wise.


Interesting. Are there any remaining primogeniture issues? Sexual health/body politics? Employment restrictions?

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Posted 10 July 2013 - 05:01 PM

Anarchists don't believe in disorder and chaos but that is exactly what would ensue under such a 'system'.

 

 

At the risk of derailing the thread no it wouldn't.

 

Happy to discuss in a PM John


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#97 Johnoco

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Posted 10 July 2013 - 05:20 PM

At the risk of derailing the thread no it wouldn't.

Happy to discuss in a PM John

It is not especially derailing the thread mate, its just the point that what someone espouses as a political idea never materialises that way. The sticking point with anarchy is......people. People will always cause the problems. In anarchy's case it would be people not pulling their weight.
But it could be any political idea (I know anarchists are meant to be anti politics. ..but you know what I mean) people will always be the problem.

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#98 Wolford6

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Posted 10 July 2013 - 06:19 PM

Which is, of course, the crux of the matter.


Interesting. Are there any remaining primogeniture issues? Sexual health/body politics? Employment restrictions?

 

 

There's never been a woman Pope or Archbishop or (I think) Chief Rabbi or Dalai Lama.

 

There's a Woman's Hour on the radio but no Men's Hour.


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#99 Northern Sol

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Posted 10 July 2013 - 06:33 PM

There's never been a woman Pope or Archbishop or (I think) Chief Rabbi or Dalai Lama.

 

There's a Woman's Hour on the radio but no Men's Hour.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pope_Joan



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Posted 10 July 2013 - 07:10 PM

 I believe at the heart of feminism, (not a few radical sistas) lies a desire for women to 'pay men back' and be the dominant, not equa,l party.

 

So why is it that white, heterosexual, working class males are somehow lower on some indefinable moral scale than, say, a black disabled lesbian?

Don't get me wrong I'm not a racist, I have female friends who are lesbians and have mates of both sexes who are disabled. BUT I'm ###### off at the demonisation of the straight white working class male. I've done nothing wrong, I've nothing to apologise for and yet middle class trendy feminist lefty arty farty ######s would have us believe we're somewhere alongside the great criminals of history.

So lets set the record straight here, all the great battles for freedom in this country have been fought by (mainly) working class white men. Who stopped Moseley's fascists at Cable Street? White working class men.

Who fought the middle class yeomanry at Peterloo? White working class men.

 Who fought the great battles for trade union recognition and for the freedom to organise in the 19th century? White working class men. 

Who beat Hitler and the Nazis? (Mainly)  white working class men

The fact is there's not much difference between right-wing patricians like Cameron and his ilk and the trendy latte sipping feminist middle class lefties, they're all scared of white working class men, why? Because they see in us something they are lacking, they see life and love and humour, because we are the real deal. As I said we've done nowt wrong we've nowt to apologise for.


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