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#1 bato2069

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Posted 08 July 2013 - 10:15 AM

With young powerhouse Konrad Hurrell recently pledging his allegiance to Tonga, thought I would put up a possible squad that they could take into the World Cup.

1 Glen Fisi'ahi - NZ Warriors
2 Michael Oldfield - Sydney Roosters
3 Konrad Hurrell - NZ Warriors
4 Tony Williams - Canterbury Bulldogs
5 Mahe Fonua - Melbourne Storm
6 Feleti Mateo - NZ Warriors
7 Daniel Foster - Penrith Panthers
8 Brent Kite - Manly-Warringah Sea Eagles
9 Nafe Seluini - Sydney Roosters
10 Willie Mason - Newcastle Knights
11 Sika Manu - Penrith Panthers
12 Jason Taumalolo - North Queensland Cowboys
13 Anthony Tupou - Cronulla-Sutherland Sharks

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14 Willie Manu - St Helens
15 Fuifui Moimoi - Parramatta Eels
16 Richie Fa’aoso - Manly-Warringah Sea Eagles
17 Benny Murdoch-Masila - Wests Tigers
18 David Hala - Brisbane Broncos
19 Ukuma Ta'ai - Huddersfeild Giants
20 Epalahame Lauaki - Wigan Warriors
21 Antonio Kaufusi - London Broncos

#2 Futtocks

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Posted 08 July 2013 - 10:37 AM

Hurrell and Williams - I wouldn't like to have to defend the tryline against those two monsters!

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#3 Railway End

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Posted 08 July 2013 - 03:47 PM

Out of interest what date do World Cup squads have to be confirmed by?

 

Are we going to have a situation where Tonga, Fiji, Samoa, Cooks, PNG etc wait until the Aussies and Kiwi's have selected their teams so they can mop up anybody left out of these squads.  Or does each nation abide by the same deadline?


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#4 thirteenthman

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Posted 08 July 2013 - 04:01 PM

Out of interest what date do World Cup squads have to be confirmed by?

 

Are we going to have a situation where Tonga, Fiji, Samoa, Cooks, PNG etc wait until the Aussies and Kiwi's have selected their teams so they can mop up anybody left out of these squads.  Or does each nation abide by the same deadline?

 

Was wondering this the other day. In 2008 everyone had to name an initial 40 man squad which were announced at the end of July.

 

I'm sure there will be some players who will be waiting to see if they picked by Aus and NZ before declaring their allegiance.



#5 Evil Homer

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Posted 09 July 2013 - 04:11 AM

Pretty sure that Williams, Mateo, Taumalolo and a number of those others will not be playing for Tonga.



#6 Pom WA

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Posted 09 July 2013 - 11:06 AM

mateo switched allegiance to nsw in this cycle so is ineligible. Shame as he has been a major part of previous Tongan teams and has not even been called into the NSW side.

#7 nadera78

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Posted 09 July 2013 - 12:51 PM

mateo switched allegiance to nsw in this cycle so is ineligible. Shame as he has been a major part of previous Tongan teams and has not even been called into the NSW side.

Playing for NSW would not make him inelligible. Playing for Australia would.


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#8 welshmagpie

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Posted 09 July 2013 - 01:28 PM

I'm sure I read somewhere that final 24 man squads will be announced / submitted on October 1st

#9 thirteenthman

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Posted 09 July 2013 - 01:32 PM

Playing for NSW would not make him inelligible. Playing for Australia would.

 

http://www.dailytele...s-1226662777916

 

Anthony Minichiello couldn't be picked for Origin this year as he played for Italy in 2011, and you have to wait 2 years before you change nations.

 

 

Andrew Hill, NRL general manager game development and league integration, pointed out why Minichiello was unavailable for NSW.

 

"Under the current RLIF eligibility rules a player is entitled to change his country of election once every two years or after the World Cup, whichever is the earlier," he said."In order to participate in the State of Origin, a player must be eligible and select Australia as his country of election. The commission was very keen to ensure the concept of the State of Origin remained as a game between NSW and Queensland."

 

It's this rule that means Feleti Mateo can't play for Tonga this year, as he elected to have a shot at playing Origin and for Australia. He played City v Country last year I think. As it stands he'll probably miss out altogether.



#10 nadera78

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Posted 09 July 2013 - 02:12 PM

http://www.dailytele...s-1226662777916

 

Anthony Minichiello couldn't be picked for Origin this year as he played for Italy in 2011, and you have to wait 2 years before you change nations.

 

 

It's this rule that means Feleti Mateo can't play for Tonga this year, as he elected to have a shot at playing Origin and for Australia. He played City v Country last year I think. As it stands he'll probably miss out altogether.

Playing for an Australian state side does not rule you out of playing for another country. Playing for Australia would rule you out of playing for another country.


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#11 EastLondonMike

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Posted 09 July 2013 - 04:40 PM

Mini asked to be allowed to play for NSW and later Italy (in the WC). NSW said he'd have to declare his availability for Australia if he wanted to play for NSW..

Technically he could have, and played for NSW, and then still played for Italy, but for whatever reason he chose not to. Probably out of respect.

josh Papalli declared his availability for NZ, then later declared availability for Queensland and subsequently declared for Australia, which Origin illegibility states you have to do.. again technically he could still represent NZ at the world cup as he hasn't represented any RL nation yet, though obviously doing so would probably limit any chance he has of representing Queensland in future SOO series.

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#12 thirteenthman

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Posted 09 July 2013 - 04:57 PM

Mini asked to be allowed to play for NSW and later Italy (in the WC). NSW said he'd have to declare his availability for Australia if he wanted to play for NSW..

Technically he could have, and played for NSW, and then still played for Italy, but for whatever reason he chose not to. Probably out of respect.

 

If Mini had played for NSW he would have effectively switched nations after playing for Italy in 2011, so for the World Cup he wouldn't have been able to switch back to Italy as you can only switch once in a two year period.



#13 Railway End

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Posted 09 July 2013 - 05:22 PM

It's this rule that means Feleti Mateo can't play for Tonga this year, as he elected to have a shot at playing Origin and for Australia. He played City v Country last year I think. As it stands he'll probably miss out altogether.

 

Can the game afford to have a talent like Mateo not playing in the WC?  When he's on his game I'd say he is the best ball playing back-rower in the world.


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#14 Evil Homer

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Posted 09 July 2013 - 05:34 PM

If Mini had played for NSW he would have effectively switched nations after playing for Italy in 2011, so for the World Cup he wouldn't have been able to switch back to Italy as you can only switch once in a two year period.

Yes he would, New South Wales is not a nation.


Edited by Evil Homer, 09 July 2013 - 05:34 PM.


#15 thirteenthman

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Posted 09 July 2013 - 10:43 PM

Can the game afford to have a talent like Mateo not playing in the WC?  When he's on his game I'd say he is the best ball playing back-rower in the world.

 

http://www.smh.com.a...0206-2dyuk.html

 

 

Mateo has played eight Tests for Tonga and was expected to skipper the Mate Ma'a at the end-of-season tournament but his decision to change allegiances in order to play Origin has ruled him ineligible. Unless he makes the Australian team, Mateo will miss the World Cup in Britain, Ireland and France as players can apply to switch allegiances only once between tournaments.



#16 Evil Homer

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Posted 10 July 2013 - 01:25 AM

^BS article by someone who doesn't understand the rules.



#17 Pom WA

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Posted 10 July 2013 - 06:36 AM

You can't be available for NSW/Q'land but not Australia, that's their rules which personally I think makes sense. So if you play for NSW you are not eligible for another country other than Oz. (if you have switched allegiance already in that 2 year period or world cup cycle).



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Posted 10 July 2013 - 06:02 PM

You can't be available for NSW/Q'land but not Australia, that's their rules which personally I think makes sense. So if you play for NSW you are not eligible for another country other than Oz. (if you have switched allegiance already in that 2 year period or world cup cycle).

Simply not true. There's nothing to stop a dual qualified player taking part in SoO and then playing for his other nation at the WC if he is selected. Even Scott Carter, RLIF chairman, has stated SoO selection has no bearing on national team selection.


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Posted 10 July 2013 - 06:04 PM

You can't be available for NSW/Q'land but not Australia, that's their rules which personally I think makes sense. So if you play for NSW you are not eligible for another country other than Oz. (if you have switched allegiance already in that 2 year period or world cup cycle).

Yet you can be available for Australia but not NSW or Queensland.


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#20 thirteenthman

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Posted 11 July 2013 - 08:02 AM

This article by Steve Mascord explains where the problem arises over Origin and International 'election':-

 

http://www.smh.com.a...0613-2o5rx.html

 

 

Anthony Minichiello last played for NSW in 2011. That year, he represented Italy in the World Cup qualifiers – without changing his country of election.

Last year, he was considered by NSW again.

Nothing has changed in that time. While NSW and Queensland recognise players representing other countries and want to stop it, the Rugby League International Federation and other countries don't care about someone playing in an Australian provincial competition.

You only have to change your country of election if you play international football for two nations. Minichiello hasn't represented Australia since 2005.

The reason Minichiello may be excluded from Origin II selection is that Australia will want him to formally change his country of election to them – which would prevent him from changing back to Italy.

A better solution would be for him to sign a letter of intent to change his country of election to Australia if selected by Australia. Why not? He's given good service. Then again, poor old Feleti Mateo wasn't afforded the same consideration and is now unable to represent Tonga.

That's a big loophole in the rules. Next year is a new cycle for rep purposes so Origin players wanting to represent other countries in the World Cup can technically just go and play for them without filing any paperwork, as long as they haven't represented Australia in the past two years.

Next year, they start with a clean slate anyway.

 

Strictly speaking it is correct that you can play Origin and play for someone other the Aussies, but as I stated earlier, Mateo is now unable to play for Tonga at the WC because he has had to declare Australia as his country of election so he can play Origin. It's true that the RLIF don't care who plays Origin, but that's not how the Aussies are using it.






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