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The never-ending League Restructure debate (Many merged threads)


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#21 Gav Wilson

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Posted 10 July 2013 - 08:59 PM

What about teams in Championship One then?

 

There will still be P&R from Championship into Championship 1.


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#22 Rover and out

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Posted 10 July 2013 - 09:02 PM

The game isn't big enough and hasn't got enough fans to exclude clubs, especially clubs in the heartlands where the games got its biggest following.
It seems to me that a lot of people on here want a closed shop sl with some expansion teams getting chucked in every few year replacing some of the smaller teams. To me that's just going to alienate fans in the championship when there clubs have nothing to play for and they'll just stop going. Clubs will either end up being feeder clubs or going bust. Plus surely it would be better for a club like Toulouse to come up through the championship than just being chucked into sl at the depend?

For me we need some form of p&r but with minimum standards where if you win your league and meet the standards set you get promoted, no applying and getting knocked back. Raise the cap in the cc so that the clubs that can afford to spend more can so there's not as big a jump to make if they do make sl, and introduce teams like Toulouse into the cc, give them the same chance of getting sl as everyone else. Give clubs something to fight for and it would make for more intense games IMO

#23 MrPosh

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Posted 10 July 2013 - 09:04 PM

Oh dear.

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#24 Rover and out

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Posted 10 July 2013 - 09:09 PM

As long as a robust criteria is set for promotion (a la RFU) then this is great news.

It will breathe new life in to the Championships, and with 6 clubs all but prepared for the step up we should see some cracking games over the next few years@


I agree completely with this, while the current system has helped push clubs to getting there houses in order there's still no guarantee of promotion from the cc. Promotion with minimum standard would be the way to go for me

#25 l'angelo mysterioso

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Posted 10 July 2013 - 09:17 PM

I agree completely with this, while the current system has helped push clubs to getting there houses in order there's still no guarantee of promotion from the cc. Promotion with minimum standard would be the way to go for me

I suppose that is better than the discredited previous system
But it's just going to confine the game to its ghetto for the foreseeable future I'm afraid
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#26 shun

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Posted 10 July 2013 - 09:20 PM

Wrong decision for me. :sclerosis:



#27 Keith T

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Posted 10 July 2013 - 09:24 PM

There will still be P&R from Championship into Championship 1.


All the talk has been of one up and one down but if Toulouse come directly in to SL, then 3 clubs will be relegated to the Championship and FIVE current Championship teams will be relegated in to Championship 1 with no-one promoted. I can't see how that will be good for the Championships!!

I remember when .............................

"It is impossible not to feel a twinge of sympathy for Workington Town, the fall guys this season for the Super League's determination to retain it's European dimension, in the shape of Paris. While the French have had every assistance to survive, the importance of having a flagship in a heartland area like West Cumbria has been conveniently forgotten." - Dave Hadfield - Independent 25th August 1996.


#28 ChrisRover

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Posted 10 July 2013 - 09:30 PM

So Toulouse will get in at the expense of traditional clubs like fev,halifax, sheff etc. 

Its a joke and a real shame that clubs spend money improveing there grounds and building foundations to get in super league and the powers that be have no intentions of letting them go up.

Makes me laugh that Toulouse think there going to get thousands of fans at every home game just because Catalan played a game there and they got 14,000 fans or whatever the number was. Was proved a couple of years ago that that was not the case in the championship.

 

About time the rugby league bit the bullet and brought back promotion and relegationso that every game played is as important at the bottom of  the league than it is at the top.



#29 Gav Wilson

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Posted 10 July 2013 - 09:30 PM

All the talk has been of one up and one down but if Toulouse come directly in to SL, then 3 clubs will be relegated to the Championship and FIVE current Championship teams will be relegated in to Championship 1 with no-one promoted. I can't see how that will be good for the Championships!!

 

So? With P&R back they will soon return to their rightful level.


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Posted 10 July 2013 - 09:32 PM

I suppose that is better than the discredited previous system
But it's just going to confine the game to its ghetto for the foreseeable future I'm afraid
Roll out the stereotypes


Why can't we have expansion teams as well keeping with traditional heartland clubs?

Why does it confine the game? Surely we can still expand the game to other areas but by building clubs up like we're doing now with clubs like Hemel etc by introducing clubs through the championship one so they can build up a fan base and a following and creating ties with local businesses rather than just chucking them into sl before they're ready and then watching it go up in flames ala crusaders and Gateshead. And by having p and r it gives the clubs something to play for. Just keep minimum standards

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Posted 10 July 2013 - 09:34 PM

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#32 nadera78

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Posted 10 July 2013 - 09:36 PM

Why can't we have expansion teams as well keeping with traditional heartland clubs?

 

Because we don't have the money, the players, the fans or the investors for that!


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#33 Keith T

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Posted 10 July 2013 - 09:39 PM

So? With P&R back they will soon return to their rightful level.


At one club per season I can think of some that wouldn't be around that long in the lower league to gain promotion. Look at the fear of some clubs at present of dropping in to Championship 1!!

I remember when .............................

"It is impossible not to feel a twinge of sympathy for Workington Town, the fall guys this season for the Super League's determination to retain it's European dimension, in the shape of Paris. While the French have had every assistance to survive, the importance of having a flagship in a heartland area like West Cumbria has been conveniently forgotten." - Dave Hadfield - Independent 25th August 1996.


#34 l'angelo mysterioso

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Posted 10 July 2013 - 09:43 PM

Why can't we have expansion teams as well keeping with traditional heartland clubs?

Why does it confine the game? Surely we can still expand the game to other areas but by building clubs up like we're doing now with clubs like Hemel etc by introducing clubs through the championship one so they can build up a fan base and a following and creating ties with local businesses rather than just chucking them into sl before they're ready and then watching it go up in flames ala crusaders and Gateshead. And by having p and r it gives the clubs something to play for. Just keep minimum standards

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#35 Southerner

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Posted 10 July 2013 - 09:43 PM

So the two relegated teams will almost certainly struggle to survive in the championship without the Sky money. I assume broncos will be relegated which means no London club and the negatives that move will bring.

Each season the SL clubs panic buy overseas talent with the fear of relegation and the young homegrown talent are overlooked as a result.

There will be the yoyo club(s) who will struggle to survive everytime they're relegated having gambled on staying in SL.

Step backwards, but fair enough if the decision was taken for financial reasons and the overall good of the game. I am struggling to see the positives in this move. Sad day for Rugby League.

#36 Good Omen

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Posted 10 July 2013 - 09:47 PM

Does that mean that the playoffs go back down to 5 teams as a waste of time having 8 from 12 in there. Also what if the Broncos come bottom and Martyn Sadlers excuse that they are needed at the top table of our game

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Posted 10 July 2013 - 09:51 PM

Almost more annoyingly we've currently only heard officially from Jon Wilkin where is our SL spokesperson?

Wilkin stated that our player pool was too low to accommodate a 14 team league and that teams were forced to buy overseas and spend beyond their means - what a load of rubbish. London Broncos have brought through many homegrown Londoners and assuming they're relegated will now be lost to RU or the championship - these players will not suddenly be spread between the remaining SL teams. This move of P&R will more likely mean an increase in overseas players as clubs fear relegation. Such a poor interview makes our game look like a farce.

#38 Lobbygobbler

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Posted 10 July 2013 - 09:52 PM

So the two relegated teams will almost certainly struggle to survive in the championship without the Sky money. I assume broncos will be relegated which means no London club and the negatives that move will bring.

Each season the SL clubs panic buy overseas talent with the fear of relegation and the young homegrown talent are overlooked as a result.

There will be the yoyo club(s) who will struggle to survive everytime they're relegated having gambled on staying in SL.

Step backwards, but fair enough if the decision was taken for financial reasons and the overall good of the game. I am struggling to see the positives in this move. Sad day for Rugby League.


Did SL clubs reduce their overseas players when licensing came in? Did they feck. However I would like to see overseas players cut to one per club in SL.

I hope this turns out to be 2 up 2 down because 1up/down aint enough for me and will not allow sufficient mobility for new clubs to SL. That being said, anything is better than the garbage system we have

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Posted 10 July 2013 - 09:54 PM

Does that mean that the playoffs go back down to 5 teams as a waste of time having 8 from 12 in there. Also what if the Broncos come bottom and Martyn Sadlers excuse that they are needed at the top table of our game


They wont. Great battlers the Broncos. Cant wait for meaningful games to return

#40 l'angelo mysterioso

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Posted 10 July 2013 - 09:54 PM

So the two relegated teams will almost certainly struggle to survive in the championship without the Sky money. I assume broncos will be relegated which means no London club and the negatives that move will bring.

Each season the SL clubs panic buy overseas talent with the fear of relegation and the young homegrown talent are overlooked as a result.

There will be the yoyo club(s) who will struggle to survive everytime they're relegated having gambled on staying in SL.


Step backwards, but fair enough if the decision was taken for financial reasons and the overall good of the game. I am struggling to see the positives in this move. Sad day for Rugby League.

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Edited by l'angelo mysterioso, 10 July 2013 - 09:55 PM.

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