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The never-ending League Restructure debate (Many merged threads)


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#761 keighley

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Posted 15 July 2013 - 12:06 PM

Not in my book, the top clubs in the championship will be given a £500K advantage to help them battle it out with the failed Superleague clubs.

 

There will be several Championship clubs who won't get a penny under this proposal (which it remains) but you should know that the Batley's, Dewsbury's, Whitehaven's and Workington's etc won't be chomping at the bit to get to Superleague. Ambitions for joining SL are clearly limited to Toulouse, Fev, Fax and Sheffield.

 

What the likes of Batley and Dewsbury will welcome is an enhanced fixture list, so I guess they'll be happy with that. They won't refuse it if the alternative is to go play Gloucester etc?

 

Well, I know you consider me a fantasy merchant but the Keighley chairman has publicly stated that they are aiming for SL and a 10,000 all seater stadium is being discussed with Bradford council.

 

As the SAS say " Who dares wins".  just so you know that's the Keighley chairmans ambitions, not what I personally consider realistic.



#762 l'angelo mysterioso

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Posted 15 July 2013 - 12:19 PM

Well, I know you consider me a fantasy merchant but the Keighley chairman has publicly stated that they are aiming for SL and a 10,000 all seater stadium is being discussed with Bradford council.

 

As the SAS say " Who dares wins".  just so you know that's the Keighley chairmans ambitions, not what I personally consider realistic.

If I were a Bradford Council Tax payer I'd be up in arms if what you are saying even remotely looked like happening


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#763 gingerjon

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Posted 15 July 2013 - 12:21 PM

If I were a Bradford Council Tax payer I'd be up in arms if what you are saying even remotely looked like happening

 

"Discussions with" could just mean "talking through planning permission".


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#764 l'angelo mysterioso

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Posted 15 July 2013 - 12:24 PM

"Discussions with" could just mean "talking through planning permission".

it's paying for the thing that bothers me

especially when you consider the priorities that Bradford MDC should be dealing with, and the diminishing ammount of cash it has at its disposal to deal with them. It would be an obscene waste even if there was the money to spend on this fantasy.


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#765 gingerjon

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Posted 15 July 2013 - 12:26 PM

it's paying for the thing that bothers me

especially when you consider the priorities that Bradford MDC should be dealing with, and the diminishing ammount of cash it has at its disposal to deal with them. It would be an obscene waste even if there was the money to spend on this fantasy.

 

I've no problem with councils paying for sporting facilities up to, including and beyond 10,000 all seater rugby grounds.  As long as there is a high level of community use and benefit alongside that.


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#766 l'angelo mysterioso

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Posted 15 July 2013 - 12:45 PM

I've no problem with councils paying for sporting facilities up to, including and beyond 10,000 all seater rugby grounds. As long as there is a high level of community use and benefit alongside that.

Me neither

What use would the keighley and craven area have for a 10,000 seater stadium in winter?
Why not just build the community sports facilities that would possibly go alongside

Edited by l'angelo mysterioso, 15 July 2013 - 12:52 PM.

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#767 thirteenthman

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Posted 15 July 2013 - 12:46 PM

According to today's League Weekly (make of that what you will) the redistribution of monies will be as follows:-

 

Option 1 - 2X12 format 2up 2 down -

 

SL clubs £1.3m pa

 

Championship: Top 2 £500k

                         3rd and 4th place £200k

                         Other clubs £175k - £150k dependant on finishing position

 

Option 2 - 2x12 3x8 format -

 

SL clubs £1.3m pa

 

Championship: Top £650k, 2nd £600k, 3rd £550k, 4th £500k

                         Other clubs £200k to £150k

 

Option 1 could go to 27 or 29 weekly rounds in SL, and will have a 6 team play off. Bottom team automatically relegated replaced by Championship top team, SL 11th place team joins Championship play offs.



#768 Celtic Rooster

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Posted 15 July 2013 - 12:57 PM

Money makes the world go around, the world go around, the world go around! I'm loving this. Thank God for the National Conference League.



#769 jpmc

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Posted 15 July 2013 - 01:11 PM

it all sounds quit positive for the whole pro game "at least" at the moment

#770 nadera78

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Posted 15 July 2013 - 01:34 PM

According to today's League Weekly (make of that what you will) the redistribution of monies will be as follows:-

 

Option 1 - 2X12 format 2up 2 down -

 

SL clubs £1.3m pa

 

Championship: Top 2 £500k

                         3rd and 4th place £200k

                         Other clubs £175k - £150k dependant on finishing position

 

Option 2 - 2x12 3x8 format -

 

SL clubs £1.3m pa

 

Championship: Top £650k, 2nd £600k, 3rd £550k, 4th £500k

                         Other clubs £200k to £150k

 

Option 1 could go to 27 or 29 weekly rounds in SL, and will have a 6 team play off. Bottom team automatically relegated replaced by Championship top team, SL 11th place team joins Championship play offs.

So they won't know what money they're getting until the season is over?


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#771 Ackroman

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Posted 15 July 2013 - 01:54 PM

So they won't know what money they're getting until the season is over?

You're just looking for excuses and reasons to moan.

 

Whatever is agreed will dictate what the prize money is in the 2014 season. 



#772 gingerjon

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Posted 15 July 2013 - 01:59 PM

So they won't know what money they're getting until the season is over?

 

Presumably it's equivalent to the prize money that goes from top to bottom in the Premier League (as an example?).


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Posted 15 July 2013 - 02:07 PM

How will that work for salary caps then?  I don't really get it.  Will there be the same salary cap as now for SL2?  Will it be variable depending on income and positional prize money?  If it's a single salary cap that allows for a low-end full-time squad, will there be revenue limits to stop clubs over-spending?


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#774 Ponterover

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Posted 15 July 2013 - 02:08 PM

According to today's League Weekly (make of that what you will) the redistribution of monies will be as follows:-

 

Option 1 - 2X12 format 2up 2 down -

 

SL clubs £1.3m pa

 

Championship: Top 2 £500k

                         3rd and 4th place £200k

                         Other clubs £175k - £150k dependant on finishing position

 

Option 2 - 2x12 3x8 format -

 

SL clubs £1.3m pa

 

Championship: Top £650k, 2nd £600k, 3rd £550k, 4th £500k

                         Other clubs £200k to £150k

 

Option 1 could go to 27 or 29 weekly rounds in SL, and will have a 6 team play off. Bottom team automatically relegated replaced by Championship top team, SL 11th place team joins Championship play offs.

 

Seems like a pretty fair distribution to me and it's very pleasing that all championship clubs get a significant increase in funding over what we get now.

 

What about Championship 1?  Any details on their distribution?  At the very least, the promoted team(s) need the same level of funding as those finishing bottom of the 2nd division.


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#775 Ponterover

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Posted 15 July 2013 - 02:10 PM

How will that work for salary caps then?  I don't really get it.  Will there be the same salary cap as now for SL2?  Will it be variable depending on income and positional prize money?  If it's a single salary cap that allows for a low-end full-time squad, will there be revenue limits to stop clubs over-spending?

 

I would hope that the cap for the 2nd division is high enough for the clubs that want to be full time, but low enough to prevent silly spending.

 

I think £1m would be about the right figure, maybe combined with a maximum of 50% of turnover.



#776 nadera78

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Posted 15 July 2013 - 02:20 PM

You're just looking for excuses and reasons to moan.

 

Whatever is agreed will dictate what the prize money is in the 2014 season. 

yes, yes, yes, good contribution. Thanks ever so much.

 

What I was asking is if this is central funding or prize money because it's not exactly clear. The SL clubs are listed as receiving 1.3m, which is what they currently get as central funding. But the Championship clubs' money seems to be listed as prize money. If that's the case then club's won't know what they're getting until the season is over, which makes it difficult for them to plan. As opposed to knowing up front what funding they'll be getting.

 

But hey, you just keep on contributing such diamonds of information, Ackroman. It's truly enlightening.


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#777 Ackroman

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Posted 15 July 2013 - 02:46 PM

yes, yes, yes, good contribution. Thanks ever so much.

 

What I was asking is if this is central funding or prize money because it's not exactly clear. The SL clubs are listed as receiving 1.3m, which is what they currently get as central funding. But the Championship clubs' money seems to be listed as prize money. If that's the case then club's won't know what they're getting until the season is over, which makes it difficult for them to plan. As opposed to knowing up front what funding they'll be getting.

 

But hey, you just keep on contributing such diamonds of information, Ackroman. It's truly enlightening.

 

The post made it clear how the money would be distributed and calculated, so by default clubs entering next seasons competitions will know what to plan/aim for.

 



#778 The Parksider

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Posted 15 July 2013 - 03:28 PM

How will that work for salary caps then?  I don't really get it.  Will there be the same salary cap as now for SL2?  Will it be variable depending on income and positional prize money?  If it's a single salary cap that allows for a low-end full-time squad, will there be revenue limits to stop clubs over-spending?


Ponterover has probably pitched a sensible level, however I'm more looking at the underlying reason for all this which IMHO has to be opening a half bust Superleague right up and if anyone has the money then come and get it spent. I could not imagine for a moment Mr. Abbott at Halifax, Mr. Nahaboo at Featherstone, or the collective of local government and industry worthies in Toulouse being restricted from spending right up to full cap and beyond.

The salary cap changes do allow for only 50% of income which is protective of the clubs, but there was the rider that if any director wanted to spend his own money beyond this then there was no limit.

Superleague is leaking £8,000,000 a year and Mr. Sadler suggests SKY won't be plugging that gap. I bet inceased attendances don't plug it and so you are left with private investment as the most likely source of big bucks - I don't think there is any way RFL/SLE are going to stop people throwing their own money at the game right up to the cap and as many millions as they want on facilities etc....

#779 thirteenthman

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Posted 15 July 2013 - 04:12 PM

What I was asking is if this is central funding or prize money because it's not exactly clear. The SL clubs are listed as receiving 1.3m, which is what they currently get as central funding. But the Championship clubs' money seems to be listed as prize money. If that's the case then club's won't know what they're getting until the season is over, which makes it difficult for them to plan. As opposed to knowing up front what funding they'll be getting.

 

The article I quoted from listed it all under 'central funding', but you're right, funding based on finishing positions is basically prize money, and I really don't know how anyone could plan based on possibly ending up getting 5 times less money than you hope for. What it also does is reinforce and probably widen the gap between the top and bottom clubs in the Championship. And there is also no mention of salary caps.

 

It's worth pointing out that the article does quote Nigel Wood as saying "Our task now is to drill down into the details of a range of issues such as minimum standards, financial distributions and the various mechanics around promotion and relegation". Which suggests that the only thing definite is that SL will have 12 teams in 2015, and yet they're apparently going to make a final decision on it all next month.



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Posted 15 July 2013 - 04:21 PM

What about Championship 1?  Any details on their distribution?  At the very least, the promoted team(s) need the same level of funding as those finishing bottom of the 2nd division.

 

No mention of it - in fact in all the stuff I've read about the restructure I've only read vague references to maybe running C1 on a regional basis, but nothiing definite. Yet, the plan was supposed to be to bring Coventry in next year. If they do that, they'll still only be 14 teams in C1 - hardly enough to split it into regional set ups.

 

When you think that 4 clubs have only just be promoted to make the Championship 14 teams strong to give them more games, and now it's being cut down again to 12, with 4 clubs having to be demoted to C1, it must make life very difficult for clubs in that position to plan long term.






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