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The never-ending League Restructure debate (Many merged threads)


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#1541 DAZROVER1985

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Posted 23 August 2013 - 08:28 AM

Spoke to someone last night who said that 2x12,3x8 is a done deal and just needs rubber stamping. Strangely, he had no idea on how they intended to achieve the reduction in places in the top two divisions from 28 to 24. So much for the "whole game solution". :(

they would need to reduce by 5 if Toulouse are coming in

#1542 gingerjon

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Posted 23 August 2013 - 08:30 AM

they would need to reduce by 5 if Toulouse are coming in

 

Christ.  They're going to need another fag packet now.


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#1543 Griff

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Posted 23 August 2013 - 09:05 AM

they would need to reduce by 5 if Toulouse are coming in

 

Indeed.


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#1544 Griff

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Posted 23 August 2013 - 09:06 AM

Christ.  They're going to need another fag packet now.

 

I hope they've still got some smokers on the RL Council.


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#1545 Wellsy4HullFC

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Posted 23 August 2013 - 10:39 AM

they would need to reduce by 5 if Toulouse are coming in

Not if the Broncos go to CC1.
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#1546 gingerjon

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Posted 23 August 2013 - 10:52 AM

Not if the Broncos go to CC1.

 

*throws fag packet in bin*


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#1547 Lobbygobbler

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Posted 23 August 2013 - 11:04 AM

Spoke to someone last night who said that 2x12,3x8 is a done deal and just needs rubber stamping. Strangely, he had no idea on how they intended to achieve the reduction in places in the top two divisions from 28 to 24. So much for the "whole game solution". :(


I imagine it could be 6 down and 2 up

#1548 Pottsy

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Posted 23 August 2013 - 11:28 AM

:) :( ;)

Edited by Pottsy, 24 August 2013 - 12:52 AM.


#1549 Griff

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Posted 23 August 2013 - 12:12 PM

Not if the Broncos go to CC1.

 

Bless me - there's a thought.


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#1550 Griff

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Posted 23 August 2013 - 12:13 PM

I imagine it could be 6 down and 2 up

 

7 down, 2 up's been mentioned.  So has 5 down, none up.

 

Either way, it's a lot.


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#1551 Jim from Oz

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Posted 23 August 2013 - 12:24 PM

12x2x8x3 or whatever it is, is utterly ludicrous - as shown on here by the fact no one can work out what's what with it



#1552 Lobbygobbler

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Posted 23 August 2013 - 12:46 PM

12x2x8x3 or whatever it is, is utterly ludicrous - as shown on here by the fact no one can work out what's what with it


Seems pretty straightforwards to me.

#1553 Scubby

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Posted 23 August 2013 - 01:26 PM

Seems pretty straightforwards to me.

 

So what happens to the top 8 when the split is formed? Do they all start on 0 points. Do they keep all the points from 23 rounds or do they keep only the points gained against teams making the 8 (which may mean that they swap places going into the 3x8 rounds)?



#1554 Griff

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Posted 23 August 2013 - 01:32 PM

So what happens to the top 8 when the split is formed? Do they all start on 0 points. Do they keep all the points from 23 rounds or do they keep only the points gained against teams making the 8 (which may mean that they swap places going into the 3x8 rounds)?

 

You've not bothered to read the thread before contributing, then ?


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#1555 keighley

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Posted 23 August 2013 - 01:35 PM

12x2x8x3 or whatever it is, is utterly ludicrous - as shown on here by the fact no one can work out what's what with it

 

Absolutely right. Also, if it works out as they hope, no Championship team will ever beat out any of the SL teams in the middle eight because of financing and recruitment issues,and the top eight in SL will have their own little mini league where they can pursue their dream of a reduced size competiton and determine a Champion year after year with little or no change for the really big boys who usually win it.

 

A 2 x10 or 2 x 12 league with guaranteed p and r would actually change the composition of SL and give the hopefuls a chance and give the weak and failing teams in SL what they deserve.

 

There is no such guarantee with the three by eight with the middle eight p and r mini league stacked from the outset against the championship teams.



#1556 Scubby

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Posted 23 August 2013 - 01:57 PM

You've not bothered to read the thread before contributing, then ?

 

I've read 100s of threads on it - including this one. I was responding to the "seems straight forward to me" . That would not be straight forward to anybody who doesn't know the game. Ask anyone who doesn't follow cricket to try and explain the world cup and 'super six' format.



#1557 Ponterover

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Posted 23 August 2013 - 02:38 PM

12x2x8x3 or whatever it is, is utterly ludicrous - as shown on here by the fact no one can work out what's what with it

 

It's not in the slightest bit complicated, in fact it pretty stright forward if you take two minutes to read how it would work, instead of rejecting it out of hand because you've never seen anything like it before.



#1558 Ponterover

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Posted 23 August 2013 - 02:39 PM

Absolutely right. Also, if it works out as they hope, no Championship team will ever beat out any of the SL teams in the middle eight because of financing and recruitment issues,and the top eight in SL will have their own little mini league where they can pursue their dream of a reduced size competiton and determine a Champion year after year with little or no change for the really big boys who usually win it.

 

A 2 x10 or 2 x 12 league with guaranteed p and r would actually change the composition of SL and give the hopefuls a chance and give the weak and failing teams in SL what they deserve.

 

There is no such guarantee with the three by eight with the middle eight p and r mini league stacked from the outset against the championship teams.

 

You're making Parky's mistake of assuming that because the champ clubs are semi pro now, they will be in 2015. With the funding that's going to the top championship clubs and the outside investment available, that middle eight will be ultra competitive.



#1559 Keith T

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Posted 23 August 2013 - 03:16 PM

You're making Parky's mistake of assuming that because the champ clubs are semi pro now, they will be in 2015. With the funding that's going to the top championship clubs and the outside investment available, that middle eight will be ultra competitive.


Well you would expect four of the middle eight to be "ultra competitive" seeing as they will be SL1 teams with £1.3 million in funding.

This system is all about trying as best they can to keep the status quo in SL1 and all they had to do was convince the top four Championship clubs that there was a doorway in to SL1 and they would jump at it. When do the four Championship clubs get this new funding? Is it at the end of the 2014 season or at the end of the 23 matches of the 2015 season or at the end of the 2015 season after the 3 x 8 games are concluded? The RFL says that the bottom 8 group will be playing for to decide who gets relegated and also to decide the amount of funding clubs get re. finishing positions!!!

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"It is impossible not to feel a twinge of sympathy for Workington Town, the fall guys this season for the Super League's determination to retain it's European dimension, in the shape of Paris. While the French have had every assistance to survive, the importance of having a flagship in a heartland area like West Cumbria has been conveniently forgotten." - Dave Hadfield - Independent 25th August 1996.


#1560 Griff

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Posted 23 August 2013 - 03:37 PM

You're making Parky's mistake of assuming that because the champ clubs are semi pro now, they will be in 2015. With the funding that's going to the top championship clubs and the outside investment available, that middle eight will be ultra competitive.

 

Unfortunately, the second twelve won't be.


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