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G4S and Serco face £50 million fraud inquiry


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#1 John Drake

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Posted 12 July 2013 - 12:49 PM

G4S and Serco face £50 million fraud inquiry
Serious Fraud Office investigates claims of over-charging for government contracts
http://www.independe...ry-8703245.html

 

I really shouldn't read the news at lunchtime. :angry:


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Posted 12 July 2013 - 01:23 PM

I'm surprised that the SFO are going in.  HMRC have more powers these days and can more easily extend company criminal audits to private individuals without requiring separate permission.  The "R" guys have become very adept at using the powers they got when the "C" guys joined the fold properly in the current HMRC.  Also, the SFO only look for criminal conduct that could reasonably lead to a conviction beyond reasonable doubt, HMRC have powers to go down to marginal levels of conduct.

 

That said, I suppose HMRC aren't that interested about extra taxable income being reported, that's probably rightly in SFO's territory.

 

I'd be significantly more worried about a horde of HMRC auditors coming in than the SFO.


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#3 Johnoco

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Posted 12 July 2013 - 01:27 PM

What about the Government person who agreed to the contract being held to account?

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#4 tonyXIII

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Posted 12 July 2013 - 04:53 PM

What about the Government person who agreed to the contract being held to account?

 

Don't be bloody stupid!

 

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#5 Li0nhead

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Posted 13 July 2013 - 01:46 AM

I'm surprised that the SFO are going in.  HMRC have more powers these days and can more easily extend company criminal audits to private individuals without requiring separate permission.  The "R" guys have become very adept at using the powers they got when the "C" guys joined the fold properly in the current HMRC.  Also, the SFO only look for criminal conduct that could reasonably lead to a conviction beyond reasonable doubt, HMRC have powers to go down to marginal levels of conduct.

 

That said, I suppose HMRC aren't that interested about extra taxable income being reported, that's probably rightly in SFO's territory.

 

I'd be significantly more worried about a horde of HMRC auditors coming in than the SFO.

 

Short version: HMRC want to ensure you pay taxes owed. SFO want to ensure they have not committed fraud (well investigate alleged cases of fraud). There is a difference. But wither way they will find a way for us the taxpayer to lose out :)



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Posted 13 July 2013 - 06:05 AM

Just watch as the enquiries and subsequent actions cost more than any monies recouped


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#7 JohnM

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Posted 13 July 2013 - 07:21 AM

What about the Government person who agreed to the contract being held to account?


We don't hear much of Tony Blair these days.

And yes, once the lawyers get involved, the costs will spiral.

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#8 John Drake

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Posted 13 July 2013 - 10:36 AM

As G4S 'overcharging' and BBC payouts reveal, life in the UK just isn't fair
http://www.guardian....youts-life-fair
If all this were carrying on in period costume, we would be appalled by it – a Downton Abbey world of elites looking after themselves, the rich getting richer while the rest see even the crumbs that fall from the table rationed: a land of double standards where those with much expect more and believe that the rules, like taxes, are for the little people.
It's hard for us to see all this, because it clashes with our belief – more a hope, really – that society should get better, that we left such crude inequality in our past. Or, when we do see it, perhaps we are so resigned we simply shrug. But it's still there, right in front of one's nose.


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Posted 17 July 2013 - 08:18 AM

I'm surprised that the SFO are going in.  HMRC have more powers these days and can more easily extend company criminal audits to private individuals without requiring separate permission.  The "R" guys have become very adept at using the powers they got when the "C" guys joined the fold properly in the current HMRC.  Also, the SFO only look for criminal conduct that could reasonably lead to a conviction beyond reasonable doubt, HMRC have powers to go down to marginal levels of conduct.

 

That said, I suppose HMRC aren't that interested about extra taxable income being reported, that's probably rightly in SFO's territory.

 

I'd be significantly more worried about a horde of HMRC auditors coming in than the SFO.

 

 

I'm surprised that the SFO are going in.

 

you mean this SFO?


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