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#1 l'angelo mysterioso

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Posted 13 July 2013 - 06:24 PM

when countries have civil wars how do they function as countries.

I've seen the collapse of the fabric of societies and famines ensue, especially in africa, but this doesn't necessarily seem to be the case

people still go to work, school, turn the taps on and water comes out and so on. It seems odd to me that nations  dont always implode when there is civil strife

 

 


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#2 Northern Sol

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Posted 13 July 2013 - 06:31 PM

Countries that have civil wars don't necessarily have running water to begin with nor salaried employment either.



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Posted 13 July 2013 - 06:46 PM

I think that the (un)United States of America would disagree. At the start of their Civil war many people had jobs farms and land and the country was completely ripped apart. The effects are only just now almost 150 years on being removed. Indeed even after 100 years the divisions were still there.

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Posted 13 July 2013 - 07:24 PM

Countries that have civil wars don't necessarily have running water to begin with nor salaried employment either.

I know that and alluded to it but for instance the former yugoslavia did, Syria has, Libya has and so on. I was using a metaphor anyway

 

and there are more historic examples also.


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#5 l'angelo mysterioso

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Posted 13 July 2013 - 07:25 PM

I think that the (un)United States of America would disagree. At the start of their Civil war many people had jobs farms and land and the country was completely ripped apart. The effects are only just now almost 150 years on being removed. Indeed even after 100 years the divisions were still there.

the country was by no means completely ripped apart

I would suggest though that the divisions you mention exist to ths day


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Posted 14 July 2013 - 07:43 AM

the country was by no means completely ripped apart
I would suggest though that the divisions you mention exist to ths day


Yeh you are right, the North was untouched, and It could be debated that it wasn't a country to start with, just a confederation of states. The war changed all that.

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Posted 14 July 2013 - 07:46 AM

Yeh you are right, the North was untouched, and It could be debated that it wasn't a country to start with, just a confederation of states. The war changed all that.

good point bb


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#8 Northern Sol

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Posted 14 July 2013 - 08:23 AM

I know that and alluded to it but for instance the former yugoslavia did, Syria has, Libya has and so on. I was using a metaphor anyway

 

and there are more historic examples also.

Yugoslavia was a federal country and whilst the Yugoslav government lost control of Croatia, Bosnia etc, there were still Croatian & Bosnian governments.

 

The Libyan civil war lasted only a few months really.



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Posted 14 July 2013 - 08:41 AM

Yugoslavia was a federal country and whilst the Yugoslav government lost control of Croatia, Bosnia etc, there were still Croatian & Bosnian governments.

 

The Libyan civil war lasted only a few months really.

I know

 

a 'few months' of civil war is a long time if you are trying to live your life in the middle of it.


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#10 Northern Sol

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Posted 14 July 2013 - 09:03 AM

I know

 

a 'few months' of civil war is a long time if you are trying to live your life in the middle of it.

It is but not enough to cause "implosion" if international aid is available.



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Posted 14 July 2013 - 11:53 AM

Last year, I got to know a Kenyan student doing an MA in Peace Studies at Bradford University.

 

She said that she wouldn't go to Northern Kenya because it was full of Islamist terrorists who want to take over that section of the country for Islamic rule. Apparently, a woman not wearing Islamic dress would put her life at risk in certain towns. There are loads of killings and the Kenyan government does nothing about it.


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Posted 14 July 2013 - 11:56 AM

Last year, I got to know a Kenyan student doing an MA in Peace Studies at Bradford University.

She said that she wouldn't go to Northern Kenya because it was full of Islamist terrorists who want to take over that section of the country for Islamic rule. Apparently, a woman not wearing Islamic dress would put her life at risk in certain towns. There are loads of killings and the Kenyan government does nothing about it.

You'd inveigle Islam into a thread discussing the merits of different soap powders

Edited by l'angelo mysterioso, 14 July 2013 - 11:57 AM.

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#13 Wolford6

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Posted 14 July 2013 - 12:37 PM

Islamic division is the cause of most current civil wars.


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Posted 14 July 2013 - 12:37 PM

Islamic division is the cause of most current civil wars.


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#15 Wolford6

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Posted 14 July 2013 - 12:39 PM

And, as for the rest: -

 

http://www.myislamic...ing_powder.html

 

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#16 l'angelo mysterioso

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Posted 14 July 2013 - 12:53 PM

Islamic division is the cause of most current civil wars.

What the hell has that got to do with hone topic
If you want to rant about Muslims Start yet another thread about it
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Posted 15 July 2013 - 01:52 AM

How many civil wars have we had other than the one in the 17th century?Is the wars of the roses regarded as a civil war?and the other war for the throne in the 12th century?


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Posted 15 July 2013 - 06:14 AM

Last year, I got to know a Kenyan student doing an MA in Peace Studies at Bradford University.

 

She said that she wouldn't go to Northern Kenya because it was full of Islamist terrorists who want to take over that section of the country for Islamic rule. Apparently, a woman not wearing Islamic dress would put her life at risk in certain towns. There are loads of killings and the Kenyan government does nothing about it.

 

North eastern Kenya is pretty lawless. Armed bandits roam the bush up there and have caused issues for the British Army units training at Archers Post. I remember being woken up by the sound of bullets whizzing over the top of my tent as the bandits and Kenyan Police Force fought each other. Isolo on route up to that area is a particularly hairy location and the religious divisions in the town are particularly noticeable; again my Battlegroup was shot at driving through the town. The area is pretty vast and barren but there are large numbers of Kenyan Army personnel in the area as it is the main supply route to the Kenyan contingent in Somalia. Whilst there are tensions and incidents as described, the threat of civil war is minimal presently.


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Posted 15 July 2013 - 07:13 AM

Islamic division is the cause of most current civil wars.

 

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Posted 15 July 2013 - 10:26 AM

How many civil wars have we had other than the one in the 17th century?Is the wars of the roses regarded as a civil war?and the other war for the throne in the 12th century?

 

Yes, the Wars of the Roses are reckoned to be civil wars. As is the 'anarchy' (in the pre-UK) of King Stephen and the Empress Matilda. Other conflicts are more usually described as rebellions, but I suppose it depends on what your definition is: there were barons revolts against Kings John, Henry III, Edward II and Henry IV, the Peasants Revolt, the Perkin Warbeck and Lambert Simnel affairs against Henry VII, the Pilgrimage of Grace against Henry VIII, the Monmouth farce against James II and many, many others. 






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