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Where do France go if Toulouse don't get in sl


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#221 flyingking

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Posted 24 July 2013 - 09:49 AM

There is a model of an expansion driven pan European league; it is the Kontinental Hockey League. What used to be the Russian ice hockey championship has developed into a giant competition with clubs from Czech Republic to Siberia and Kazakhstan.
It has expanded rapidly and now has clubs from Riga, Prague, Bratislava, and Zagreb will compete for the first time in the coming season. Milan and Helsinki are lining up bids to be included in the future. Budapest run a team in the development league. In order to gain a licence, all teams must meet minimum standards in arenas rosters and budgets.
Lessons to be learnt, the KHL is focusing its expansion on big attractive cities which have an excellent chance of bringing money and talented players to their region. On that basis Toulouse should definitely get the chance to show what they can do.
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#222 The Parksider

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Posted 24 July 2013 - 11:11 AM

We have too many Academy sides as it is.
 
If you take the average squad there will be four or five lads with the potential to make it in SL, although usually only one or two of them do. Then you have half a dozen with the potential to make it in the Championship although, again, only a couple will actually do so. Then you have a group of lads who are doubtful, and then another group who have no chance whatsoever of making a career out of RL. But the club needs a full squad for their academy so these players need to be signed.


Very good post IMO. TBF to the RFL they are looking to regionalise academies where there is no SL club, however academies are seemingly most successful where top SL clubs exist.

In the west riding your a car ride from Fartown, Fev, Bradford, Leeds, cas and Wakey all effectively charged by licensing with "developing their own players" but all chasing the same players. Back to the lack of the original resources.

The principle is we are trying to find new quality professional players from resources that are being over exhausted as you say. In Toulouse there's the potential to find new resources, but amateur RL - the basic resource - isn't going to grow in Toulouse IMHO without an SL club to ensthuse.

#223 audois

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Posted 24 July 2013 - 12:09 PM

Is the stadium owned in any way by Catalan, or are they at the mercy of political masters who may be replaced at the ballot box withdire consequences?

How much of the turnover is invested in grass roots and marketing?


Most of the sports stadia in France are publically owned. The idea of that changing is I think pretty remote. A decade back Stade Brutus was in a sorry state. The XIII Catalan side had given up playing there years before with crowds struggling to reach three figures leaving it to the local soccer team. Today I think it's a superb stadium with the full range of modern facilities and a recognition of what SL and the Dragons have achieved.

After 8 years we are at last starting to see the arrival of young French lads who can more than hold their own at SL level and their feeder club St Esteve reached this years Elite 1 Final with an all-French line-up bar one & by some distance the youngest in the local comp.

Marketing? They started selling stuff on tressle tables behind the stand in yr1 at Aime-Giral. Today they've a modern-classy boutique doing good business. In 2009 they organised 100 coach loads of supports to Barcelona & this year with Toulouse mobilised 14,000 for the Hull KR game. Impressive.
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#224 zorquif

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Posted 24 July 2013 - 01:32 PM

WELL SAID THAT MAN

 

 

One thing also about RL in France its pretty much classless ,you would never see the morons that were on the You tube footage at the recent Wakey v Widnes match in France.

 

I have no issues taking clients to RL matches in France it,s always well run with fantastic hospitality.

 

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As in it has no class? That said, even if all classes attend, are the French working class just less into fighting than their English counterparts?



#225 Ackroman

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Posted 24 July 2013 - 03:01 PM

Most of the sports stadia in France are publically owned. The idea of that changing is I think pretty remote. A decade back Stade Brutus was in a sorry state. The XIII Catalan side had given up playing there years before with crowds struggling to reach three figures leaving it to the local soccer team. Today I think it's a superb stadium with the full range of modern facilities and a recognition of what SL and the Dragons have achieved.

After 8 years we are at last starting to see the arrival of young French lads who can more than hold their own at SL level and their feeder club St Esteve reached this years Elite 1 Final with an all-French line-up bar one & by some distance the youngest in the local comp.

Marketing? They started selling stuff on tressle tables behind the stand in yr1 at Aime-Giral. Today they've a modern-classy boutique doing good business. In 2009 they organised 100 coach loads of supports to Barcelona & this year with Toulouse mobilised 14,000 for the Hull KR game. Impressive.


Thanks for the response. All clubs sell merchandise, and this really wasn't my tack. However the trip to Barcelona really interests me. I would be far happier seeing further inclusion of French clubs if the FFR took control of these events ans planned them accordingly, each season. It seems so haphazard at the moment and in your second example, reliant on one off cup games.

It's the same with London's experimental travelling, rather than experimental it needs a proper marketing plan.

#226 oiseau

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Posted 24 July 2013 - 05:45 PM

Thank you for this view.

 

It seems if we want to get more quality players into the academies we need to start with putting an academy in Toulouse which is a big RL city in France where there isn't an academy every 15 miles like there is in West Yorks, Hull and West Lancs.

 

No brainer. Toulouse in SL....

there is already an academy in Toulouse and has been for many years



#227 The Parksider

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Posted 24 July 2013 - 06:14 PM

there is already an academy in Toulouse and has been for many years


Thank you for the correction, IMHO we need to have Toulouse in Superleague's top division because there are academies and academies.

Academies need to find young players and you get far more of those where there's a professional club operating. Whilst Toulouse has had an academy how does it measure up to Les Catalans academy as an obvious example?

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Posted 24 July 2013 - 06:27 PM

So to sum up.

 

Parky thought that Toulouse should be in SL because otherwise there will never be an academy.

 

Now that he knows that there is an academy, he thinks we need to have them in SL because "there is an academy in Toulouse".



#229 Northern Sol

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Posted 24 July 2013 - 06:28 PM

not really. The likes of Peacock and Carney dont suggest it is the way forward for funding.

Are they the only commentators?



#230 oiseau

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Posted 24 July 2013 - 06:42 PM

Thank you for the correction, IMHO we need to have Toulouse in Superleague's top division because there are academies and academies.

Academies need to find young players and you get far more of those where there's a professional club operating. Whilst Toulouse has had an academy how does it measure up to Les Catalans academy as an obvious example?

as usual it's all a matter of funding and will - Catalans have the facilities & funding to bring on the kids as we are now seeing and  Toulouse have a thriving youth set-up but have, in my opinion been let down over the past few years by indifference by the TO13 head coach to try to raise the bar and of course the relative lack of funding which has seen loads of positives but seems 'small-time' compared to their more illustrious friends on the Med

Things are changing tho' with the appointment of Sylvain Houlès as assistant coach and Adam Innes as fitnesss coach - both are fluent english speakers so I trust we will begin to see a shift from the rather 'parochial' attitude to more of a professsional preparation for an eventual  SL inclusion 



#231 The Parksider

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Posted 25 July 2013 - 06:48 PM

as usual it's all a matter of funding and will - Catalans have the facilities & funding to bring on the kids as we are now seeing and  Toulouse have a thriving youth set-up but have, in my opinion been let down over the past few years by indifference by the TO13 head coach to try to raise the bar and of course the relative lack of funding which has seen loads of positives but seems 'small-time' compared to their more illustrious friends on the Med
Things are changing tho' with the appointment of Sylvain Houlès as assistant coach and Adam Innes as fitnesss coach - both are fluent english speakers so I trust we will begin to see a shift from the rather 'parochial' attitude to more of a professsional preparation for an eventual  SL inclusion


Hope so, thank you.....




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