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Tetley’s Challenge Cup semi-final details confirmed


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#201 Johnoco

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Posted 24 July 2013 - 10:37 PM

Why would it attract a crowd of 5k in Coventry and what benefit would it have to both clubs financially?

I aren't saying it would attract anyone in Coventry, I was using the numbers Dave had projected. If it was sold out in Leigh, it would at least look decent on TV, but it won't be. At least if the game was held somewhere like Coventry, there would at least be the excuse that it was 'on the road' which would at least be a bit of an ###### covering exercise.

But if its all about money, then lets scrap home and away fixtures and gauge games on who will probably get the best crowd. But what about the notion of neutrality? It's the Cup semi final. Is it fair to have a semi final 200 miles from one team and 5 from the other? No, it isn't.

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#202 Dave T

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Posted 25 July 2013 - 07:08 AM

That crowd in Coventry would be less embarrassing than the 5 or 6 they will get in Leigh.

I dont agree.
The stadium in Coventry is around three times the size of LSV.

#203 Johnoco

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Posted 25 July 2013 - 07:37 AM

I dont agree.
The stadium in Coventry is around three times the size of LSV.

Possibly so and that crowd would look bad but at least there would be mitigating reasons for it. As it stands it will be a poor crowd virtually on the doorstep of our most famous team.

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#204 shrek

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Posted 25 July 2013 - 10:38 AM

Coventry City have pulled out of the Ricoh Arena (spelling ?) So id imagine the management of the RA would have been very open to the idea of renting it out for any game & a great deal could have been worked out, IMHO. 

 

You presume that the playing surface is still being maintained, safety certificates and insurance are still in place etc etc.

 

Then of course there is the presumption that the RFL didn't ask them, maybe they did heard the price and said thanks but no thanks.

 

The LSV wouldn't be my first choice, but its a tidy little ground, probably cheap and will turn a profit.  Ultimatley its us the fans that should take responsibility that a ground with a capacity less than one of the participating clubs average crowd is going to be plenty big enough for what should be one of the show piece occasions of the season.

Its not the format, the cost isn't overly expensive, travel for Wigan fans is never going to be closer, yet it'll not sell out.  The blame gets laid at the RFLs door for something in almost every thread, I'd suggest as fans we should be looking closer to home in the first instance.



#205 Johnoco

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Posted 25 July 2013 - 12:53 PM

That's some good points there shrek which I agree with. But it's still not good enough to host a semi final in such an unbalanced location.

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#206 gingerjon

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Posted 25 July 2013 - 01:02 PM

You presume that the playing surface is still being maintained, safety certificates and insurance are still in place etc etc.

 

Then of course there is the presumption that the RFL didn't ask them, maybe they did heard the price and said thanks but no thanks.

 

The LSV wouldn't be my first choice, but its a tidy little ground, probably cheap and will turn a profit.  Ultimatley its us the fans that should take responsibility that a ground with a capacity less than one of the participating clubs average crowd is going to be plenty big enough for what should be one of the show piece occasions of the season.

Its not the format, the cost isn't overly expensive, travel for Wigan fans is never going to be closer, yet it'll not sell out.  The blame gets laid at the RFLs door for something in almost every thread, I'd suggest as fans we should be looking closer to home in the first instance.

 

You don't know that the LSV is cheap, same as we don't know how many times the RFL span their rolodex before settling on Wigan as a neutral venue for Wigan.


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Posted 25 July 2013 - 01:05 PM

This might have been mentioned, but did london not agree to the SF locations? Would they have been happy for it to be at huddersfield?



#208 gingerjon

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Posted 25 July 2013 - 01:08 PM

This might have been mentioned, but did london not agree to the SF locations? Would they have been happy for it to be at huddersfield?

 

London agreed.

 

On either this thread or one of the others (!) I suggested that this implies the club's management don't really get their fans at all and aren't fit for purpose.


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#209 shrek

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Posted 25 July 2013 - 01:09 PM

You don't know that the LSV is cheap, same as we don't know how many times the RFL span their rolodex before settling on Wigan as a neutral venue for Wigan.

No your right, thats why I carefully used the word "probably" in front of the word "cheap"! 



#210 gingerjon

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Posted 25 July 2013 - 01:11 PM

No your right, thats why I carefully used the word "probably" in front of the word "cheap"! 

"will turn a profit" though.

 

Tsk.


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#211 John Drake

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Posted 25 July 2013 - 01:11 PM

This might have been mentioned, but did london not agree to the SF locations? Would they have been happy for it to be at huddersfield?

 

The RFL statement is on page 9 of this thread. here it is again:

 

Following criticism of a venue selection for the Tetley’s Challenge Cup semi-final on Saturday July 27, the RFL has issued the following statement:
“The selection of Leigh Sports Village and John Smith’s Stadium as the venues for this weekend’s Tetley’s Challenge Cup semi-finals was made following consultation and agreement with all eight clubs involved in the quarter-finals.
“A number of alternative venues were considered and the final selections were based on various criteria, including availability, size and quality of facilities, associated match costs, commercial viability and the views of broadcast partners.
“On June 26 London Broncos confirmed to the RFL that they were “fine” with the options for all UK-based semi-finals and proposed that in the event of them being drawn against Catalan Dragons, their semi-final should be staged in London.
“Given the size of London’s current fan base and their historical levels of travelling support, the view was taken that Leigh Sports Village provides the best opportunity to present a major televised sporting spectacle to attendees and TV viewers in the most positive light whilst maximising the financial return for the two competing clubs who share 100 per cent of the receipts generated.”


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#212 zorquif

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Posted 25 July 2013 - 01:14 PM

The RFL statement is on page 9 of this thread. here it is again:

 

Following criticism of a venue selection for the Tetley’s Challenge Cup semi-final on Saturday July 27, the RFL has issued the following statement:
“The selection of Leigh Sports Village and John Smith’s Stadium as the venues for this weekend’s Tetley’s Challenge Cup semi-finals was made following consultation and agreement with all eight clubs involved in the quarter-finals.
“A number of alternative venues were considered and the final selections were based on various criteria, including availability, size and quality of facilities, associated match costs, commercial viability and the views of broadcast partners.
“On June 26 London Broncos confirmed to the RFL that they were “fine” with the options for all UK-based semi-finals and proposed that in the event of them being drawn against Catalan Dragons, their semi-final should be staged in London.
“Given the size of London’s current fan base and their historical levels of travelling support, the view was taken that Leigh Sports Village provides the best opportunity to present a major televised sporting spectacle to attendees and TV viewers in the most positive light whilst maximising the financial return for the two competing clubs who share 100 per cent of the receipts generated.”

 

I knew I'd seen that somewhere! Ta!



#213 williamssimonp

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Posted 25 July 2013 - 01:31 PM

What do you mean the cost isn't overly expensive?!!!

 

£36 for two tickets to the game

£42 in fuel for a 400 mile round trip

£75 for a hotel room (including breakfast)

£50 for other meals for two

 

Total: £203

 

That is a significant amount of money!!!



#214 shrek

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Posted 25 July 2013 - 01:32 PM

"will turn a profit" though.

 

Tsk.

Ah, well the RFL have said they'll maximise the return for each club by playing at the LSV, so I'm putting 2+2 and getting an answer that says profit!

 

For what its worth, I find it ironic that on the 11th August the towns football team takes a trip to Wembley for a meaningless pre-season friendly with no certainty of fielding a first XI which will cost far in excess of anything the CC semi final would cost even in the midlands or South Yorkshire and they'll take far more fans than the combined total thats going to be at the LSV this weekend for what should be one of show piece matches. 

 

We've only ourselves to blame, we should be selling out places like this in a flash and BOTH sets of fans should have reasons for being unhappy.



#215 shrek

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Posted 25 July 2013 - 01:36 PM

What do you mean the cost isn't overly expensive?!!!

 

£36 for two tickets to the game

£42 in fuel for a 400 mile round trip

£75 for a hotel room (including breakfast)

£50 for other meals for two

 

Total: £203

 

That is a significant amount of money!!!

Fair enough, people seem to find that and more for other sports though, its hardly an every season event.  I'd gladly pay that and have done so to see my teams in cup competitions especially at this stage.



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Posted 25 July 2013 - 02:31 PM

The Broncos' are the Cup's Audley Harrison; show up, get their 50% cut, go home.


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#217 mick wilson

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Posted 25 July 2013 - 05:18 PM

thats all well and good Mick, but the reality is that Wigan would probably have taken 4k to Coventry, London 500 and maybe 300 neutrals.

The crowd would have been rubbish. People need to stop dealing in fantasy rl on things like this. 5k in that large stadium with rent going out of the game would have been rubbish.

I hear you Dave but I also think your doing the Midlanders an injustice here, who is to say that only 300 neutrals would bother ?

 

Why not 3000 or 4000+ 

 

With all local free media plugging the game & RFL sending out memo's to every Midland & London area amateur club offering group discounts to a big game on their door step with a KO time meaning they would not be playing themselves, players taking their family & friends, clubs taking 52 seater coaches, general public having a convenient looksee etc. 

 

London may take a thousand plus (same reasons as above)

 

Surely Wigan would travel in their 1000's to Cov.



#218 mick wilson

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Posted 25 July 2013 - 05:32 PM

I dont agree.
The stadium in Coventry is around three times the size of LSV.

It could be easily managed though, why not house both sets of fans on one side of the ground while having the camera operators under strict instructions, (ie) the camera operator facing the crowd does the crowd shots while all operators do the game shots thus giving the impression of a full stadium, after all its about promotion & clever camera work can go along way to achieve that. 



#219 mick wilson

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Posted 25 July 2013 - 05:39 PM

You presume that the playing surface is still being maintained, safety certificates and insurance are still in place etc etc.

 

Then of course there is the presumption that the RFL didn't ask them, maybe they did heard the price and said thanks but no thanks.

 

The LSV wouldn't be my first choice, but its a tidy little ground, probably cheap and will turn a profit.  Ultimatley its us the fans that should take responsibility that a ground with a capacity less than one of the participating clubs average crowd is going to be plenty big enough for what should be one of the show piece occasions of the season.

Its not the format, the cost isn't overly expensive, travel for Wigan fans is never going to be closer, yet it'll not sell out.  The blame gets laid at the RFLs door for something in almost every thread, I'd suggest as fans we should be looking closer to home in the first instance.

Seeing as CCFC very recently announced that they quitting this stadium then id guess everything would be in working order or very little work to get the pitch game ready.

Same reason on the cost, As the management have suddenly lost its "only" tenant they would be very open to anyone wanting to host a game, As no one else is offering you'd have the ball in your court when negotiating the cost involved. 



#220 mick wilson

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Posted 25 July 2013 - 05:54 PM

Fair enough, people seem to find that and more for other sports though, its hardly an every season event.  I'd gladly pay that and have done so to see my teams in cup competitions especially at this stage.

I agree with your sentiment here Shrek but were trying to promote RL into non traditional area's & these people are not diehard RL supporters, As Wigan fans are already.

London have some though small in number, that's why IMO they should be encouraged to attend this game as its a marque fixture, holding it @ LSV is not very encouraging for them or any other curious folk from any of the expansion area's. 






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