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#221 Bartholemew Smythe

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Posted 25 July 2013 - 09:06 PM

I agree with your sentiment here Shrek but were trying to promote RL into non traditional area's & these people are not diehard RL supporters, As Wigan fans are already.
London have some though small in number, that's why IMO they should be encouraged to attend this game as its a marque fixture, holding it @ LSV is not very encouraging for them or any other curious folk from any of the expansion area's.

So London and any other curious folks would have turned out in thousands if the game would've been held at any other ground?
Yeh right.
Just check out this years CC attendances, they've been ###### and both semis will be the same, nothing to do with venues or heaven forbid a lack of a railway within yards of the stadium.
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#222 shrek

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Posted 26 July 2013 - 09:43 AM

Seeing as CCFC very recently announced that they quitting this stadium then id guess everything would be in working order or very little work to get the pitch game ready.

Same reason on the cost, As the management have suddenly lost its "only" tenant they would be very open to anyone wanting to host a game, As no one else is offering you'd have the ball in your court when negotiating the cost involved. 

Not sure about that but we could speculate about it all day long, all I know is if I leave my garden for a couple of weeks this time of year it soon gets over grown, I can only imagine the amount of work a professional playing surface needs just for sport let alone to recover from hosting concernts etc.

 

The ownership of the stadium is also complicated from what I've read but my knowledge is based on what I read in WSC's clubs in crisis columns.

 

I agree with your sentiment here Shrek but were trying to promote RL into non traditional area's & these people are not diehard RL supporters, As Wigan fans are already.

London have some though small in number, that's why IMO they should be encouraged to attend this game as its a marque fixture, holding it @ LSV is not very encouraging for them or any other curious folk from any of the expansion area's. 

I agree about promotion but if the semi finals are intended to promote the game and spread the word so to speak we need a long run in from the 1/4 finals to achieve this.  Timing may also be key, Championship clubs start the football season a week on Saturday, I wonder how many grounds are actually available at this time of year and willing to risk the playing surface. 

 

I understand the London fans disappointment/frustrations, but to me I find it just as annoying that for a cup semi final 5 miles away there isn't uproar from Wigan fans as they are locked out of a sold out venue.  So its not just a case of "other curious folk" but on the one hand we cry out for showcase events, we get them and nobody bothers going - I don't get the RL fan menatility at all.



#223 gingerjon

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Posted 26 July 2013 - 09:45 AM

 

I understand the London fans disappointment/frustrations, but to me I find it just as annoying that for a cup semi final 5 miles away there isn't uproar from Wigan fans as they are locked out of a sold out venue.  So its not just a case of "other curious folk" but on the one hand we cry out for showcase events, we get them and nobody bothers going - I don't get the RL fan menatility at all.

 

That second bit is my point though.  Playing the match in Wigan does not in any way guarantee more Wigan fans than there would have been playing the match somewhere where you would have got more (okay not a huge number in the scheme of things) London fans.


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#224 JohnM

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Posted 26 July 2013 - 11:14 AM

1. Coventry City’s bosses have been accused of wrecking the Ricoh Arena pitch by starving head groundsman John Ledwidge of the funds he needed to do his job properly.  see http://www.coventryt...oventry-4033513

 

2. They are not going to hire it out to a couple of RL clubs at less than cost.  How would that work in a commercial concern?

 

3. Our game is short of money as it is, then we get accused of putting "profit" before the fans. 

 

4. In my view, this is not the time to conduct an experiment based on a dubious hypothesis

 

5. The debate yet again illustrates the  "no win" situation of the RFL



#225 Johnoco

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Posted 26 July 2013 - 11:20 AM

1. Coventry City’s bosses have been accused of wrecking the Ricoh Arena pitch by starving head groundsman John Ledwidge of the funds he needed to do his job properly.  see http://www.coventryt...oventry-4033513

 

2. They are not going to hire it out to a couple of RL clubs at less than cost.  How would that work in a commercial concern?

 

3. Our game is short of money as it is, then we get accused of putting "profit" before the fans. 

 

4. In my view, this is not the time to conduct an experiment based on a dubious hypothesis

 

5. The debate yet again illustrates the  "no win" situation of the RFL

And what great profit will the semi at LSV generate? A few grand? Surely the prestige of the CC Semi final is worthy of more respect.


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#226 gingerjon

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Posted 26 July 2013 - 11:22 AM

 

 

5. The debate yet again illustrates the  "no win" situation of the RFL

 

 

And what great profit will the semi at LSV generate? A few grand? Surely the prestige of the CC Semi final is worthy of more respect.

 

In their desperate attempt to make the match as low-rent as possible this is one occasion where the RFL really have sold the game short.

 

And everything that is right about the LSV also applies to Doncaster - which is actually properly neutral and would, I'm willing to bet, have had either the same or larger crowd.


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#227 Johnoco

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Posted 26 July 2013 - 11:30 AM

Yeah, it's not necessarily about there being anything wrong with the venue as such, but the location. (as in position, before any Leigh person goes crazy)


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#228 Scubby

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Posted 26 July 2013 - 11:34 AM

In their desperate attempt to make the match as low-rent as possible this is one occasion where the RFL really have sold the game short.

 

And everything that is right about the LSV also applies to Doncaster - which is actually properly neutral and would, I'm willing to bet, have had either the same or larger crowd.

 

Jon it goes beyond that. The RFL took a really lazy option to do this. It is almost as if they couldn't be bothered to do anything and that they are too pre-occupied with the World Cup etc.

 

Cantman will like this but there are three clear facts here.

 

1. London is dying on its a**e and needs a leg-up

2. Wigan is the most marketable name in Rugby League

3. Wigan have probably the biggest travelling fanbase in the country

 

I have said this before on here. I can't imagine anyone who would have protested (not even Wigan) if the RFL said 'on this occasion we are going to set a precedent. We all know London needs a boost and to that end we will play this fixture at the Stoop.'

 

The local media in London would have got behind it. The Broncos could have made the effort with its database. The Wigan fanbase would still have travelled for the game (at least 3-4k) and the Stoop would have had a 2k higher crowd than would have been at Leigh.

 

Wigan would still have won and got to Wembley. But both clubs would have got something out of the occasion

 

Plain short-sightedness. We can't see what is staring us in the face sometimes.



#229 gingerjon

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Posted 26 July 2013 - 11:51 AM

Jon it goes beyond that. The RFL took a really lazy option to do this. It is almost as if they couldn't be bothered to do anything and that they are too pre-occupied with the World Cup etc.

 

Cantman will like this but there are three clear facts here.

 

1. London is dying on its a**e and needs a leg-up

2. Wigan is the most marketable name in Rugby League

3. Wigan have probably the biggest travelling fanbase in the country

 

I have said this before on here. I can't imagine anyone who would have protested (not even Wigan) if the RFL said 'on this occasion we are going to set a precedent. We all know London needs a boost and to that end we will play this fixture at the Stoop.'

 

The local media in London would have got behind it. The Broncos could have made the effort with its database. The Wigan fanbase would still have travelled for the game (at least 3-4k) and the Stoop would have had a 2k higher crowd than would have been at Leigh.

 

Wigan would still have won and got to Wembley. But both clubs would have got something out of the occasion

 

Plain short-sightedness. We can't see what is staring us in the face sometimes.

 

Whilst I agree with everything you say I am still taking the moral high ground and sticking to the neutral venue thing.


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#230 Scubby

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Posted 26 July 2013 - 11:53 AM

Whilst I agree with everything you say I am still taking the moral high ground and sticking to the neutral venue thing.

 

Well they should have played it at Quins RU then. :tongue: It will be a neutral venue next year.


Edited by Scubby, 26 July 2013 - 11:54 AM.


#231 williamssimonp

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Posted 26 July 2013 - 01:26 PM

Jon it goes beyond that. The RFL took a really lazy option to do this. It is almost as if they couldn't be bothered to do anything and that they are too pre-occupied with the World Cup etc.

 

Cantman will like this but there are three clear facts here.

 

1. London is dying on its a**e and needs a leg-up

2. Wigan is the most marketable name in Rugby League

3. Wigan have probably the biggest travelling fanbase in the country

 

I have said this before on here. I can't imagine anyone who would have protested (not even Wigan) if the RFL said 'on this occasion we are going to set a precedent. We all know London needs a boost and to that end we will play this fixture at the Stoop.'

 

The local media in London would have got behind it. The Broncos could have made the effort with its database. The Wigan fanbase would still have travelled for the game (at least 3-4k) and the Stoop would have had a 2k higher crowd than would have been at Leigh.

 

Wigan would still have won and got to Wembley. But both clubs would have got something out of the occasion

 

Plain short-sightedness. We can't see what is staring us in the face sometimes.

Who says that Wigan are going to win?!!!  :tongue:


Edited by williamssimonp, 26 July 2013 - 01:27 PM.


#232 Chronicler of Chiswick

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Posted 26 July 2013 - 02:07 PM

Don't think the ground is exactly going to be heaving with Wigan supporters, either. Had a look at their website yesterday and tickets were still available at all prices.



#233 Spicer

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Posted 26 July 2013 - 02:16 PM

Well they should have played it at Quins RU then. :tongue: It will be a neutral venue next year.


Not necessarily Scubby.
DH is quoted in the Currant Bun as claiming the Stoop is still an option along with Barnet, Orient and Gillingham.

#234 JohnM

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Posted 26 July 2013 - 04:40 PM

And what great profit will the semi at LSV generate? A few grand? Surely the prestige of the CC Semi final is worthy of more respect.

 

 

It's a cup semi on free to air TV and we all know what that means in terms of paying attendances no matter where they are played.  Say there are 5,000 (or 10,000 or 15,000 at another venue)  there on Saturday. How do you think that will compare with the TV audience?... Its one game , one game , mind you,  and in terms of influencing people in a World Cup year with lots of games all over,  I'd rather the RFL be spending money on making the world cup a success.  Do both? well, yes , if we have the money...which generally we don't have.

 

I'm a Wigan fan and given the amount of money I've just paid out for me and  'er indoors to go to Cardiff, Huddersfield, Wembley and Old Trafford, I'll be watching the semi on TV for nothing.

 

MInd you , it would be good to see the World Cup promoted at this Saturday's and Sunday's games.



#235 Father Ted

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Posted 26 July 2013 - 06:27 PM

Still think they should have held the Cup Tie at Warrington.
A direct train service from Euston in under two hours then a 10-15 minute walk to the HJ.
Wigan fans its 10 mins on the train.
Also good Motorway access for both sets of fans.
The RFL could have marketed it as not a good ground for Wigan, neither v Wire nor in the 2007 semi v Catalans.
As for Leigh, they must have offered a lower rent to the RFL to hold the gig! That's the only explanation I can think of.

#236 keighley

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Posted 26 July 2013 - 08:26 PM

And what great profit will the semi at LSV generate? A few grand? Surely the prestige of the CC Semi final is worthy of more respect.

 

Not to mention some semblance of equal treatment for both participating teams.The reason for playing semi finals at neutral venues is to enable both teams to start on an equal footing with no built in home advantage.  LSV is not a neutral venue. We do not claim the world club championship final is a neutral venue when Leeds play it at Elland Road for instance.

 

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#237 Bartholemew Smythe

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Posted 26 July 2013 - 08:39 PM

I'll be glad when there's a decent game at the LSV next week without the incessant whinging, regurgitating of the same old tedious lack of a rail link etc. Some folks on here would complain if a game was being played in the room next door.
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