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#21 Janner

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Posted 24 July 2013 - 12:58 PM

Mike Blackmore was from Barnstaple ( sadly passed away a few years back) as is Kevin Squire who played loose forward for Leeds in the early eighties.
In 1912/13 there were efforts to form a Western League of Northern Union with teams in Plymouth, Torquay, Newton Abbot, Falmouth and Camborne amongst others.
So, League has, in a way, RETURNED to Cornwall after a hundred years rather than launching this summer.
There was a two part feature about the formation of the Western League in Open Rugby in about 1982. It formed the basis for the article on the history of South West and Plymouth Rugby League here http://www.pitchero....story-9330.html

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#22 D9000

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Posted 24 July 2013 - 01:44 PM

RL at Plainmoor .... what a pity it all never came off. Never does in RL, somehow.



#23 Northern Sol

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Posted 24 July 2013 - 03:25 PM

Hang on, you mean to say there was no promotion and relegation?

No.

 

IIRC both the Yorks and Lancs leagues had two divisions.

 

But the league structure was in a constant state of flux in the first few years so almost anything could be argued to be "traditional".



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Posted 25 July 2013 - 12:32 PM

Hull KR made a 2/3 match  promotional tour to Cornwall many moons ago.

 

I once saw Cornwall v Yorkshire in the final of the county championship at Twickenham over 30000 cornish persons there (Last one over the tamar turn the lights out:)

 

I always thought that cornwall would be a great place for RL expansion and good also to see a revival in the numbers speaking cornish from almost zero to over 3000 now:)

 

 

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Hull KR made a 2/3 match  promotional tour to Cornwall many moons ago.

 

I once saw Cornwall v Yorkshire in the final of the county championship at Twickenham over 30000 cornish persons there (Last one over the tamar turn the lights out:)

 

I always thought that cornwall would be a great place for RL expansion and good also to see a revival in the numbers speaking cornish from almost zero to over 3000 now:)

 

 

CM

Yeah was that back in the 1990's.I wonder if Cornwall supported the County more then the club sides esp with that number of fan's and that always confused me where someone would support  the club like Leicester Tiger's but not the Leicestershire County side while Cornwall seemed to be more County based then club ?????



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Posted 25 July 2013 - 01:00 PM

Yeah was that back in the 1990's.I wonder if Cornwall supported the County more then the club sides esp with that number of fan's and that always confused me where someone would support  the club like Leicester Tiger's but not the Leicestershire County side while Cornwall seemed to be more County based then club ?????


Rugby Union's elite structure druring the amateur era was a bit of a hotch potch. I certain parts of the country the big provincial clubs dominated and in some areas the county sides were the main focus of attention.

Cornwall was one area where the County took precedence over the local senior clubs. The Lancashire and Yorkshire County teams were strong too and the Middlesex County team concentrated most of London's talent.

However in places like Bristol, Gloucester, Coventry and Leicester the clubs were so strong many viewed the County side as a bit redundant. Certainly once the League structure was created in 1987 the County Championship soon when into rapid decline. Cornwall's epic finals were the last hurray in many ways.

Penzance and Newlyn have renamed themselves the "Cornish Pirates" and attempted to recreate the regional pride that the County side used to create. If and when they get into the Premiership they should have a good support. There is a lot of good will towards the Pirates in Union at the moment and lots of people would like a Cornish team in the competition. Getting a suitable ground built is their biggest problem at the moment.

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Posted 25 July 2013 - 01:08 PM

Please keep this thread on topic about Cornish Rebels Rugby League, otherwise it may end up getting booted into the cross-code forum or locked.

 

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#27 mick wilson

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Posted 25 July 2013 - 04:46 PM

Do the CRRLC get any backing from the RFL ? Hope so as a vibrant club can lead to a vibrant county and a real geographical spread of the game. 



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Posted 25 July 2013 - 06:22 PM

There was talk a few years back about a semi pro club starting in the South West with either Cornwall, Exeter or Bristol as a home. Nothing came of it, though the Gloucestershire All Golds did make the step into the semi pro ranks ( stretching the idea of the South West quite a bit) but there was support from many rugby supporters in Cornwall as it would add extra weight to their plans for a Stadium For Cornwall in Truro which would have been used by Cornish Pirates (union), Truro City (football) and the possible league club.
Nothing came of the league club and plans for the ground have been put on hold due to finances, particularly from the Cornish council.

The Rebels, along with all the clubs in the South West get no financial support from the RFL other than free RFL insurance as a new club in their first season. The Rebels do get to use the county kit which was paid for by the Cornwall County Association thereby saving the cost of buying shirts. Along with other non heartland areas there is no dedicated development officer / manager for the region and the SWRL is administered by a committee of one member per club and Ant Atherton, who is also responsible for the Cumbrian region. To be fair, Ant is visiting the region this week to keep in touch.

Whilst the Rebels are currently a success story the rest of the league seems to be in a steady decline. The 2007 Cup final drew a crowd of 500 odd and Boots n All to film it at Exmouth's National League RU ground, the SW Cup final last Saturday struggled to attract three figures and was played in a field behind Launceston RFC's ground. Plymouth, Exeter, Somerset and North Devon have each failed to raise a side for games this season and, whilst Devon Sharks have performed on the field, despite optimistic plans, they have the worst facilities in the league with dilapidated changing rooms and a below standard pitch to play on.

With the RFL's stated plan for the future of not actively seeking new clubs but retaining the players at the clubs we already have the future is far from rosy for League in the far South West.

There are no junior teams or indeed plans for juniors in Devon following the loss of the SW Regional Manager and Community Coach who worked at getting local schools to take up the game. All that, however small, has been lost and there seems to be a drop in interest in playing League, which, along with the rise of Union 7s in the summer months is making the recruitment and retention of players difficult.

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Posted 26 July 2013 - 11:32 AM

There was talk a few years back about a semi pro club starting in the South West with either Cornwall, Exeter or Bristol as a home. Nothing came of it, though the Gloucestershire All Golds did make the step into the semi pro ranks ( stretching the idea of the South West quite a bit) but there was support from many rugby supporters in Cornwall as it would add extra weight to their plans for a Stadium For Cornwall in Truro which would have been used by Cornish Pirates (union), Truro City (football) and the possible league club.
Nothing came of the league club and plans for the ground have been put on hold due to finances, particularly from the Cornish council.

The Rebels, along with all the clubs in the South West get no financial support from the RFL other than free RFL insurance as a new club in their first season. The Rebels do get to use the county kit which was paid for by the Cornwall County Association thereby saving the cost of buying shirts. Along with other non heartland areas there is no dedicated development officer / manager for the region and the SWRL is administered by a committee of one member per club and Ant Atherton, who is also responsible for the Cumbrian region. To be fair, Ant is visiting the region this week to keep in touch.

Whilst the Rebels are currently a success story the rest of the league seems to be in a steady decline. The 2007 Cup final drew a crowd of 500 odd and Boots n All to film it at Exmouth's National League RU ground, the SW Cup final last Saturday struggled to attract three figures and was played in a field behind Launceston RFC's ground. Plymouth, Exeter, Somerset and North Devon have each failed to raise a side for games this season and, whilst Devon Sharks have performed on the field, despite optimistic plans, they have the worst facilities in the league with dilapidated changing rooms and a below standard pitch to play on.

With the RFL's stated plan for the future of not actively seeking new clubs but retaining the players at the clubs we already have the future is far from rosy for League in the far South West.

There are no junior teams or indeed plans for juniors in Devon following the loss of the SW Regional Manager and Community Coach who worked at getting local schools to take up the game. All that, however small, has been lost and there seems to be a drop in interest in playing League, which, along with the rise of Union 7s in the summer months is making the recruitment and retention of players difficult.


Thanks for your contribution here especialy the history. Hope the comp can at least hold what its got. Development I reckon never even or a constant. Its priority in the South seems to be around All Golds, Oxford & Hemel moving up a level along with with likes of Bristol & St Albans.

There's more of a history in the South West than I realised.
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#30 808tone

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Posted 27 July 2013 - 10:48 AM

I wonder if Touch or Tag Rugby is getting used by the 2 codes down Cornwall.



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Posted 27 July 2013 - 11:56 AM

A great way for clubs to raise money is the RFL Community raffle, 70p from every tickect sold is kept by the club 

 

 

http://www.southwest...raffle-underway






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