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Resumption of peacetalks

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#1 walter sobchak

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Posted 21 July 2013 - 11:39 AM

Another US brokered initiative has kicked started peacetalks between the Israelis and Palestinians after a 5 year period of no negotiations between the two sides. I honestly can't see how peace will ever be achieved between Israel and Palestine with Israel not budging on right of return, east Jerusalem and the increasing settlement expansions in the west bank and with Hamas running the gaza strip, but as Churchill said "jaw jaw is better than war war.

#2 Johnoco

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Posted 21 July 2013 - 12:10 PM

I can't see how peace will ever be achieved while most of the Arab and Muslim world hate Israel more than they like themselves.

Edited by Johnoco, 21 July 2013 - 12:10 PM.


#3 walter sobchak

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Posted 21 July 2013 - 12:29 PM

I can't see how peace will ever be achieved while most of the Arab and Muslim world hate Israel more than they like themselves.


Although this is true it shouldn't affect the peacetalks and hopefully the eventual conclusion of the Israeli-Palestinian conflict.

#4 Johnoco

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Posted 21 July 2013 - 12:38 PM

Although this is true it shouldn't affect the peacetalks and hopefully the eventual conclusion of the Israeli-Palestinian conflict.

And what happened after the 1978 Israel-Egypt peace agreement? Too many dickheads have a vested interest in seeing everything fail.

#5 walter sobchak

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Posted 13 August 2013 - 01:56 PM

On the eve of the renewed peace talks the Israeli government has just announced that 3,100 new homes will be built in the illegally occupied Territory. what a great start to the talks, they could be over before they've even started!

#6 Futtocks

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Posted 13 August 2013 - 02:05 PM

And what happened after the 1978 Israel-Egypt peace agreement? Too many dickheads have a vested interest in seeing everything fail.

The majority of people on both sides just want a peaceful and (hopefully) prosperous life, but the tooled-up morons and hatemongers are always there to disrupt things.


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#7 JohnM

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Posted 13 August 2013 - 02:53 PM

Just like all the others, these "peace talks" will fail. They are just a sham. The Israelis have absolutely no intention to arrive at any peace deal with anyone.  Mind you, the Palestinians have absolutely no intention to arrive at any peace deal with anyone, either. One denies the right of the state of Israel to exist, the other denies the right of the Palestinian state  to exist.

 

Israel should make a start by demolishing ALL settlement on illegally occupied territories and the Palestinians should stop trying to destroy Israel.

 

Will any of them take us nearer peace? Will they ######.



#8 Futtocks

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Posted 13 August 2013 - 03:11 PM

The trouble with Israel v Palestine is that the only thing they can agree on is the stock answer to any criticism, however slight - "Yes, but look what they did".

 

Guaranteed to kill any discussion and start off a session of "they started it" tennis.


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#9 walter sobchak

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Posted 13 August 2013 - 03:20 PM

Just like all the others, these "peace talks" will fail. They are just a sham. The Israelis have absolutely no intention to arrive at any peace deal with anyone.  Mind you, the Palestinians have absolutely no intention to arrive at any peace deal with anyone, either. One denies the right of the state of Israel to exist, the other denies the right of the Palestinian state  to exist.
 
Israel should make a start by demolishing ALL settlement on illegally occupied territories and the Palestinians should stop trying to destroy Israel.
 
Will any of them take us nearer peace? Will they ######.

The PLO recognized the state of Israel in 1993(Oslo accords), yasser arafat and yitzhak Rabin shook hands on it on the white house lawn infront of bill Clinton and the worlds press. The major obstacles to peace are the rapidly increasing illegal Israeli settlements, dividing Jerusalem, the right of return, israel moving the goalposts to the palestinians recognizing israel as a "jewish" state and Hamas running the gaza strip.

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Posted 13 August 2013 - 03:21 PM

The majority of people on both sides just want a peaceful and (hopefully) prosperous life, but the tooled-up morons and hatemongers are always there to disrupt things.

Yes

#11 JohnM

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Posted 13 August 2013 - 04:04 PM

The PLO recognized the state of Israel in 1993(Oslo accords), yasser arafat and yitzhak Rabin shook hands on it on the white house lawn infront of bill Clinton and the worlds press. The major obstacles to peace are the rapidly increasing illegal Israeli settlements, dividing Jerusalem, the right of return, israel moving the goalposts to the palestinians recognizing israel as a "jewish" state and Hamas running the gaza strip.

 

 

and the shelling/rocketing of Israel?  A pox on both their houses.



#12 Northern Sol

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Posted 13 August 2013 - 04:57 PM

and the shelling/rocketing of Israel?  A pox on both their houses.


Not to mention indoctrinating their kids into hating Israelis.

#13 Larry the Leit

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Posted 13 August 2013 - 05:41 PM

It's just like the knobheads in Belfast but on a bigger scale.
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#14 GeordieSaint

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Posted 13 August 2013 - 07:45 PM

The major obstacles to peace are the rapidly increasing illegal Israeli settlements, dividing Jerusalem, the right of return, israel moving the goalposts to the palestinians recognizing israel as a "jewish" state and Hamas running the gaza strip.

 

The major obstacle is violence and that largely lies with the Palestinians to solve. If they, both in Gaza and the West Bank, denounce violence, the Israelis wouldn't have a leg to stand on and would have to accommodate the Palestinians. It is currently a vicious circle and only the Palestinians can actually break it.


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#15 Wolford6

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Posted 13 August 2013 - 08:27 PM

Both sides are completely untrustwortthy. Let them carry on killing each other.


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#16 808tone

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Posted 15 August 2013 - 10:57 AM

It's just like the knobheads in Belfast but on a bigger scale.

Nice one.



#17 Marauder

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Posted 15 August 2013 - 11:13 AM

In October 1973 I was at the Royal Armoured training school Bovington on a tank driving course and at the same time Israeli and Arab army officers where also there training, they had to stop them from going out driver training at the same time because they had started ramming each others tanks on the ranges.


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#18 GeordieSaint

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Posted 15 August 2013 - 11:35 AM

In October 1973 I was at the Royal Armoured training school Bovington on a tank driving course and at the same time Israeli and Arab army officers where also there training, they had to stop them from going out driver training at the same time because they had started ramming each others tanks on the ranges.

 

I am not surprised in Oct 73; their home countries were in the process of fighting a particuarly violent war!


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